Can’t you guys tell your MPs to get that shit out of here?
Oh believe me we will, but we have to wait for them to call an election (likely autumn 2024). They’re roundly despised and they know it. They’re just milking as much as they can before they’re flung out of Parliament.
They’re a disgrace.
Which makes you wonder what the point in this bill even is. They will barely get an opportunity to make use of it.
They just like swinging their dicks to show they did something.
Oh, they’ve done things. That’s the problem.
Is there any indication that Labour would be any better on this particular issue?
Very very very little indication they would be better, and I’m very left of center in politics.
Starmer is very suss as far as I’m concerned, I’m not at all comfortable with his purges…if he gets in, we’ll see.
Idk. Im very pessimistic that this county is capable of any reasonable decision making tbh.
Is there anything we can do about it?
Refuse to use any software that bows to this bullshit.
Keep using software that doesn’t bow. Let them struggle to enforce any encryption ban. Safety in numbers.
Aye. The logical conclusion to this if left unchecked is restriction all the way down to the OS level. Don’t let them take this first step. If they do, the others will follow.
I think Mental Outlaw did a video on this. He said we should use foss forks of projects or something.
Apple has said they’ll pull out of UK if required. I won’t use any software that abides.
Apple are operating in China by caving in to the government. I don’t think they’ll be more radical with the UK.
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mightbe cynical af but I believe China is a market they can’t ignore, but the UK, well…they can afford to send a message there. With some quick google-fu it looks like Apple sells more iPhones about every 8 days than it sells in the UK in a year. That’s comparing 2023 numbers for China to 2019 numbers in the UK for the record, I’m too lazy to look past the first few links really, and doubt that math would change enough to ruin the point.They also wouldn’t pull out of the UK, they would likely just revert to SMS there in the messages app rather than give the UK a back door into their encryption.
Of course they could ignore China, they just choose not to because they want more money.
Yes and no, fiduciary duty to shareholders plus they rely on China for manufacturing.
Oh wow, the great UK really seems to love to show the world how advanced they are. Decrypt this then 🙄
Password is only 8 characters.
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Give us the password, or it’s two years in the clink for you me old matey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
Five years if you look like a nonce or a Muslim.
When it isn’t the USA it’s their daddy Britain, ffs.
Privilege breeds idiocy
UK hermit kingdom speedrun, especially with the rumors of Scotland getting independence.
Scottish Indy movement has been put back by 10+ years after the political and possibly illegal financial fuckups of the main indy party SNP.
They still have control over most of Scotland, but their political power in Westminster is still fairly small, this might change next election though
especially with the rumors of Scotland getting independence.
Yeah, that’s not how it works.
There are so many trends with technology that seem to favor another 1930’s Europe situation. The 1940 film “The Great Dictator” describes it pretty well, and it is sad how much love and compassion seem to be out of favor as people march more and more towards mechanized hate-driven systems of society. I really hope a pro-humanism civil rights movement takes hold, like Martin Luther King Jr’s kind of teaching, but it seems to not happen that a popular person like that comes to the top. Even a Carl Sagan type person with mass popularity to much of what Sagan shared in his books and speeches would be a good direction.
Just two years ago the politicians fearmongered that quantum computers will break every encryption without delay. This bill speaks quite different story.
Worldwide? No they aren’t. This is clickbait.
Sure, the title sounds like clickbait, but the point is: if a big enough player passes these laws, then the other countries may follow.
yeah, it doesn’t destroy anything on the worldwide scale.
but it weakens.erosion is a rather perfect term for it
If this, then that. Ok.
If they force messengers to implement backdoors into the protocol, I doubt they will limit it to UK users. Also, conversations with UK users won’t be private anymore even if the other party is from another country.
Client-side scanning might not be enforced for other accounts but when the infrastructure is there other governments will want to use it, too.
That definitely won’t happen. Full E2EE apps like Signal, iMessage, and WhatsApp aren’t going to risk the worldwide backlash that would come with implementing backdoor access. The UK market isn’t that big and definitely not worth it, they’d pull out of the UK entirely first.
I hope they will. My guess is that a nonprofit like Signal will pull out. They have nothing to gain and a reputation to lose. The others will probably comply by implementing some form of client-side scanning.
I wonder if it will be analogous to the situation in China. Is an iMessage conversation safe if one party is based in China and their data is stored in data centers there?
Welp I don’t live in the UK so there is not much I can do. I would encourage any UK citizen to protest this immediately. If it still passes openly break the law to make the UK government into a laughing stock
Or we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt… or at least, yet!
If you don’t know who isn’t corrupt, vote for independents that understand technology. I know it’ll never happen so things will continue to go downhill but gees, what do governments have to do to get people to wake up? 🤬
Hell, i’ll be happy if people just stopped believing ‘for the sack of the children’ crap and realise its all about controlling the population! 🙄🤦♂️
we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt
Audiences who flock to liars and deceivers seems to be trending in bad direction. Business leaders, politicians. What Cambridge Analytica unleashed as mass psychology tactics in 2014 may be very difficult to undo.
corrupt… or at least, yet!
Things like term limits seemed to help stop some of the problems of people corrupting once they got into positions of power. But now it seems crowds of more and more people are choosing pre-corrupted, cheering on corruption.
Yea voting is great, but when was the last time the UK had a prime minister that anyone voted for?
I get the importance, but the global implications are being slightly overstated. It may be the thin end of the wedge in terms that it may lead other governments to follow suit. But all that will happen in the short term is that many IM clients will withdraw from the UK. Apple will probably just disable iMessage in the UK.
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xmpp + omemo => good luck
NWO is happening before our very eyes, guys
No. It‘s the opposite of a new world order.
It‘s the old order doing everything to preserve its power.
