The inner circle so to speak
The thing is, ownership of any of these can change at any time. Bitwarden, Mullvad, and Tutanota could be sold to very different owners.
That is up to and including something like uBlock Origin, which only has one developer, and would suddenly be very different if that developer died and the project had to be forked.
You can never trust that the person who takes on the reigns has the same ideals as the people running them now.
Hell, Mullvad was abused to the point they removed access to Port Forwarding on their VPN service, which has led to many people needing to switch to crummier, shadier VPNs that still offer port forwarding access. That’s not Mullvad’s fault, but it is an example of them having to change their philosophy and what they offer because of abuse.
Trust should only go so far, and loss of trust should be very easy. There’s not a good reason to keep “trusting” something when it has fundamentally changed from its initial ideals.
Hell, Mullvad was abused to the point they removed access to Port Forwarding on their VPN service, which has led to many people needing to switch to crummier, shadier VPNs that still offer port forwarding access.
Could you explain what happened?
As clear as I can make it out, it seems like it was related to a search warrant that was executed on Mullvad.
Because just a little over a month after the news of the failed raid, there was news of them removing port forwarding.
https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/removing-the-support-for-forwarded-ports/
Emphasis mine.
Unfortunately port forwarding also allows avenues for abuse, which in some cases can result in a far worse experience for the majority of our users. Regrettably individuals have frequently used this feature to host undesirable content and malicious services from ports that are forwarded from our VPN servers. This has led to law enforcement contacting us, our IPs getting blacklisted, and hosting providers cancelling us.
The result is that it affects the majority of our users negatively, because they cannot use our service without having services being blocked.
The abuse vector of port forwarding has caught up with us, and today we announce the discontinuation of support for port forwarding. This means that if you are a user of forwarded ports, you will not be able to add or modify the ports you have in use.
They made a smart call that has probably increased the long term privacy of their users.
People were using port forwarding to host illegal shit, and governments were getting pissed off about it. Mullvad has been able to prove in court that they don’t keep logs, but that’s not a perfect deterrent; a properly motivated government, perhaps if somebody is using Mullvad to host CSAM, might attempt to legally force Mullvad to put logging in and add anti-canary clauses.
Preventing port forwarding keeps customers as consumers rather than hosters, and avoids this issue.
Hell, Mullvad was abused to the point they removed access to Port Forwarding on their VPN service, which has led to many people needing to switch to crummier, shadier VPNs that still offer port forwarding access. That’s not Mullvad’s fault, but it is an example of them having to change their philosophy and what they offer because of abuse.
It’s a real shame too. It was a nice feature.
bruh, i can’t be the only one confused why state farm’s drive safe app was being touted…
allows their car insurance to spy on their location data and driving habits Is curious about privacy
Okay buddy
Why do you trust a Germany based secure email over something like Proton? At least Mullvad is Sweden based.
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Because in Germany we value privacy and the protection of personal data
Not more than the Swiss. Germany is part of the spy dragnet. It does not offer the same level of privacy protection.
So why are my German relatives super-scared of pirating because of the government finding out, and get me to torrent all their shit for them and mail it to them on cheap hardrives?
Correction: It’s not the government, it’s private law firms doing this. Your IP is public when you torrent, they just have bots monitoring the most active trackers and try to extort money from the people they catch.
Piracy is not privacy
Sure. Ask the CCC…
I love Mole, Shield and Road
the mole creates the tunnel for the road, and the shield is for the travelers’ protection
KeePass is also a good password manager, it’s open source and you get to store the password database anywhere you like.
I have bitwarden and mullvad, but what’s the other one?
It’s Tutanota, an email service
keepass > bitwarden
vpn providers should be reviewed regularly
email is inherintly insecure/non-private, self hosted is best
why do you prefer keepass to bitwarden? has it better privacy or is it just a personal preference because you like the UI more for example?
keepass is a different paradigm. it uses a locally encrypted file. many frontends for it (use keepassxc and keepassdx). dont have to rely on some 3rd party, even if they say they have e2ee. theres no better privacy (and security) for an app than not using it with the internet. im not too concerned about ui for pw manager personally, the less time i spend w it unlocked the better. only (slight) problem for me: multi device usage (i just copy the file onto my phone occasionally). general rule of thumb: if it can be selfhosted, it is best to.
i think bitwarden is the best one of its type, it comes down to your needs and threat model
Idk if anyone else mentioned this but bitwarden can be selfhosted.
good point!
I really like the cross device sync, even tho it’s a security risk of course. also, I don’t know anything about self hosting (might get into it when I got the time), so bitwarden might be the best pw manager for my requirements rn.
It’s possible to sync keepass using syncthing, i use it that way.
not on iOS, at least last I looked into it.
Well I have both my kidneys. Edit: there’s a fork of it on the app Store called Möbius sync.
sorry i didnt mention but yeah like the other reply says u can absolutely sync, i just personally prefer not to
Many use syncthing to sync their keepass files I personally just use my nextcloud
its more user friendly. Just a file you have to have. You can encrypt that double and tripple on bitwarden nope.
Mainly cuz it doesn’t store your passwords on someone else’s computer.
You can selfhost bitwarden, there’s also vaultwarden, an open bitearden api implementation. You could host this on an internal-only server. But you also can sync your single password file with a lot devices and use keepass, I just find that a bit annoying. You also cannot share some passwords with your relatives easily that way.
Hey it’s fine if you trust them, it’s a very convenient service and from what I found it’s pretty secure, since there’s no way to recover logins if you forget your master pass. But i personally don’t like the idea of having passwords on someone else’s server and I’m too stoopid to set-up my own instance on a docker container server thingy. Syncthing just works for me, got GUI and everything.
Totaly valid choice!
I trust bitwarden, but android app doesnt trust me!
wdym?
One of these is Bitwarden. What are the other two?
Mullvad, Tut(o/a)nata
That mole is sus to me, I am more like into Snakedragons.
Snakedragons
I heard it was a mythical creature
mine is larger for sure
tutanota is terrible though
Tutanota is one of the few good E-Mail services that i can think of, what’s so terrible about tutanota?
The lock in and the lies. The first being your inability to read your emails in another client. Second is the lie that it’s secure when email is inherently not second. It’s making a false promise.
Oh and I forgot the new issue, being that you can’t zoom mail, which is infuriating.
Disclaimer: I pay for Tutanota and have for a few years. But I’m tired of it. Will switch to another season once K-9 becomes Thunderbird for Android
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