You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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    Intensionally, the USA is going to lose its status as a hyperpower. Europe is going to decouple from American defense policy to the point where I can see American military bases close in Europe. An anti-Chinese military alliance will function with or without the USA anchored by India and Japan, but I see that force yielding some territory to China in the near term. There will probably be an increase in the number of wars in general as regions go into conflict without an American threat to maintain borders. Nothing the USA does is likely going to fix this.

    Domestically, the administration is the greatest threat to the republic since the Civil War. If Trump is able to be pushed out in the future, there is going to need to be a major re-evaluation of how the American federal government works. This is going to require constitutional changes and the removal of major powers that the President has collected as the federal government grew.

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      The US Constitution had plenty of ways to control someone like Trump. Not the least of which is the absolutely clear barring from public office for life of anyone participating in an insurrection. It’s just that the people in charge of enforcing these statutes lacked the courage to enforce those statutes. Legal statutes and so forth are useless if they aren’t enforced.

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      American here. Maybe I’m going through the five stages of grief and now I’m at acceptance.

      Everything in your first paragraph sounds accurate and maybe something that probably needed to happen. America as the World Police is/has been a problem. There were some positives, but a lot of negatives.

      The sooner America gets off the stage, the better. We don’t deserve the recognition. We can’t even feed our own people and yet wield tremendous influence internationally, and maybe it’s a positive thing that it ends soon.

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        My only concern is that I expect an increase in international conflict as the American security guarantee is gone. The only remaining countries capable of projecting power internationally can’t do it on nearly the scale of the USA. I expect a lot of wars until new spheres of influence get established.

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          My global political history isn’t great, and maybe others can correct me here, but it doesn’t feel like the US has had much of a stabilising effect in the last 30 years.

          There’s plenty of conflicts that just don’t make the news that the US just isn’t interested in. Poor places with no oil or other resources. Presently Burma comes to mind. There always seems to be somewhere in Africa, last decade there was genocide in Congo IIRC.

          Also it’s not really clear whether their involvement in the middle east over the last few decades was positive or negative.

          It’s nice to have them hovering around South China Sea to keep China in check I guess.

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            The USA put a stop to the wars on the Balkans in the 1990s: Bosnia, Kosovo.

            Saddam Hussein is another one. Without the USA, he might have continued his expansion after Kuwait into Syria for example.

            Latin America has had no major wars, only guerrillas and such for a long time.

            The USA made peace between Egypt and Israel possible, a cornerstone for stability in the region.

            The USA also kept Europe together with NATO.

            Pax Americana is a thing for sure.

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              Saddam Hussein is another one. Without the USA,

              Damn, and then what happened?

              Latin America has had no major wars, only guerrillas and such for a long time.

              And major fascist take overs, backed by the USA, of course.

              The USA also kept Europe together with NATO.

              Lol

              The USA made peace between Egypt and Israel possible, a cornerstone for stability in the region.

              Lol, yeah; the US sure has done a good job at regional stability by stepping on the neck of anyone who gets in the way of Isreal’s genocidal settler colonial project.

              Deeply unserious

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            The USA definitely went crazy after 9/11 and has done destabilizing things to the international community. I’m not denying that.

            However, the USA has a big stick that has been able to keep most borders frozen. Without the threat of American intervention, I can see a lot of wars between countries start because war became an option.

            And this could come to pass with a peaceful China.

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      This is going to require constitutional changes

      I think it’s going to require a new constitution. The American constitution was pretty good for a first try at modern democracy, but it has weaknesses. Look to European constitutions for inspiration regarding balance of power, parliamentary systems, electoral systems, basic rights. A less powerful president and a voting system that doesn’t lead to two parties might be prudent for example.

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        Having term limits on politicians (including judges) would be key. At some point, an old person simply can’t relate to the world that younger people grew up in. More importantly, they either become angry codgers (Republicans) or domesticated sheep (Geronocrats), which is innately an imbalance in political influence. An assertive person, in most situations, gets a bigger piece of the pie, be it political, fiscal, sexual, or some other thing.

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          Term limits have a huge downside. The politician will need a job afterwards and is thus more motivated to give political favors for job security afterwards. Your goal would also be achieved via an age limit like 70.

          It also takes a while for a newly elected representative to understand how the political apparatus works, who is who and so on. Lobbyists and bureaucrats don’t have term limits though and have a much easier influencing the newcomer. Experience matters in every profession including politics.

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        With Belt and Road, and all the colonialist projects China is doing in Africa, I would absolutely not say that “China is focusing on itself”. Or, at least: Even if it’s mainly focusing on itself, there is a very noteworthy imperial and colonial project going on.

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          What’s wrong with building infrastructure? Nothing stopping the West from offering an alternative development plan. Countries go with China’s because it is a better deal with fewer strings attached.

          Instead when the US invaded Iraq it destroyed its infrastructure and opposed any plan to rebuild Iraq. China now is helping rebuild Iraq. Just one example of plenty.

          Then again given the crumbling state of US infrastructure, it should really focus on itself. It brought a lot destruction (see: Gaza) and very little building to the rest of the world even when they broke it (see: Iraq).

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            Nothing’s wrong with building infrastructure. Why would it be?

            What’s wrong is the financing scheme that makes the infrastructure effectively Chinese national property. And when China can decide how and when a country’s infrastructure can be used, China gets a lot of influence in that country’s domestic politics. And it does use that influence.

            USA destroying Iraq doesn’t make China any less colonial. China helping rebuild Iraq in a way that will make Iraq a vassal of China… That does make China more colonial.

            USA should absolutely focus on itself. And it will do it much more than before, because now that it has decided to cut its international soft power, it does not really have other options, does it? :)

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              What’s wrong is the financing scheme that makes the infrastructure effectively Chinese national property. And when China can decide how and when a country’s infrastructure can be used, China gets a lot of influence in that country’s domestic politics. And it does use that influence.

              Source: The American Burger-freedom foundation for advanced jingoism research. That $1,600,000,000 the US government earmarked for anti-China propaganda definition getting returns.

              USA destroying Iraq doesn’t make China any less colonial.

              No, but it demonstrates there’s a vast, vast difference between actual colonial violence, and the bullshit that American chauvinists try to describe as colonialism.

              China helping rebuild Iraq in a way that will make Iraq a vassal of China… That does make China more colonial.

              “Yes, America destroying an entire country and killing hundreds of thousands of people is bad, but have you considered that China helping to rebuild that country is actually just as bad?”

              Ghoul. You are a ghoul.

              And it will do it much more than before

              And thank God for that: the world doesn’t need amoral monsters who think that building infrastructure is the same thing as mass bombing and murder fucking with the rest of the world.

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                I’m sorry but you sound pike the people who call DOGE “auditors” who “look for corruption and end it”.

                China has been trying to get into big infrastructure projects in Finland as well, with the precisely same kind of loan arrangements. And it’s very good that we declined the offer. We were a colony of Sweden for 600 years. We don’t need to become one of China’s now.

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                  I’m sorry but you sound pike the people who call DOGE “auditors” who “look for corruption and end it”

                  What the fuck kind of argument is that? “Oh you sound like the people who say [completely unrelated thing with no resemblence].” OK then, well you sound like the people who say that black people should be sterilized.

                  China has been trying to get into big infrastructure projects in Finland as wel

                  Infrastructure projects? Oh GOD NO! THE HUMANITY! THEY MIGHT AS WELL BE CARPET BOMBING HELSINKI!

                  And it’s very good that we declined the offer. We were a colony of Sweden for 600 years. We don’t need to become one of China’s now.

                  Yeah, building infrastructure is exactly like invading a country, massacring the natives, and forcibly taking control, definitely.

                  You’re fucking disgusting, colonialism apologist.

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                    You, my friend, are defending colonialism and I am opposing your view that colonialism is okay as long as it’s done by a country on a list of “countries allowed to behave in a colonialist manner” that you are curating. And somehow that makes me a colonialism apologist?

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            China is building military infrastructure on contested islands in the south china sea with the goal of controlling the whole area firmly including the first island chain and Taiwan.

            Countries go with China’s because it is a better deal with fewer strings attached.

            There’s also no historical baggage with Chinese colonialism in Africa. Fewer strings also means China doesn’t care about democracy, human rights, and such.

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              Fewer strings also means China doesn’t care about democracy, human rights, and such.

              Neither do Western powers. Their support for the genocide in Gaza proves as much. From sending weapons and ignoring the ICC and ICJ rulings, to crushing protests and arresting journalists. You really can’t come and talk about democracy, human rights, and such as if the West is the good guys after we all witnessed the genocide in Gaza, you can’t. It is hypocritical and racist. You are basically saying “only we are people”, or at a minimum “the Palestinians aren’t people”.

              As for China building some artificial islands, who cares? As far as “crimes” go it is really down at the bottom of the crimelist. You could probably learn about the expulsion of the Chagossians to put things into perspective.

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                  It really is illustrative of the absolute depths of westerners complete thoughtless hypocrisy that they think building a few shacks on uninhabited islands is remotely comparable to what the USA does.

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                    Countries in East and Southeast Asia are Westerners now? The Koreans, Taiwanese, Japanese, Pinoy, Vietnamese, Malays will be surprised to hear that. All of these countries are afraid of Chinese ambitions.

                    Maybe ask the Tibetans if they think the Chinese annexation of their homeland is just Western hypocrisy.

                    remotely comparable to what the USA does

                    You are aware that China invaded Vietnam after the USA left?

                    You are ignorant of the regional policies. Not everything is as Western centric as your limited understanding of geopolitics.

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              Fewer strings also means China doesn’t care about democracy, human rights, and such.

              Looooool. As if the west does.

              American’s continue to be the most propagandized people on Earth.

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          all the colonialist projects China is doing in Africa

          Westerners love changing the meaning of words like “colonialism” so that they can use it to attack their enemies, as if their new definition still holds all the moral wait that it did when it was properly applied. Honestly, calling China’s relationship with Africa a “colonialist project” is a fucking disgusting insult to all the people who suffered under actual, real colonialism perpetrated by Western nations.

          I would absolutely not say that “China is focusing on itself”

          No, there isn’t, you absolute ghoul.

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            What you’re saying suggests that France’s current behaviour is not colonialist. What are your thoughts on that?

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                Haha, everyone is a fascist now?

                Yeah, the French colonies, such as French Guyana, are not okay. But neither are the things France is doing to many of the countries that used to be France’s formal colonies. Even though those countries are not colonies of France, what France is doing to them is colonialism all the same. Or do you disagree?

                Also, calling me “dumb” was impolite of you, even though factually correct. Calling me a fascist was outright weird.

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                  Haha, everyone is a fascist now?

                  No, just colonialism defending ultranationalist white chauvinists like you.

                  Yeah, the French colonies, such as French Guyana, are not okay

                  Great, conversation over, not reading the rest of your comment now that you’ve admitted your previous one was spurious.