I’ve had multiple family members deployed to active warzones.

Whenever we talked about war, it was never about politics. It was always “X’s tour is supposed to finish next month,” or “I heard something happened near [town], wasn’t X deployed near there?”

I know how everyone talks about it on the internet, but what is it like for you at home?

  • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    I appreciate the honesty but you seem to be missing the perspective that:

    1. The existence of the State of Israel is an explicit British colonization project and currently exists as a puppet state of “the empire”.

    2. The power imbalance between the state of Israel and Hamas and the repeated, and well documented, war crimes and ethnic cleansing perpetrated by the State of Israel.

    3. Left wing vs Right wing is a false dichotomy. You will have opinions and viewpoints of both matter your political self identification and they are poorly defined.

    I would be curious to know your opinions about the judenrätes of WWII (whether they were heroes or villains, left wing vs right wing, etc.) and how the current State of Israel is not just a continuation of that?

    • MangioneDontMiss@lemm.ee
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      17 days ago
      1. Jewish re-colonization began long before the british had any input on the subject. The British were actually trying to stop Jewish migration for a while there. But the re-colonization of Israel by Jews goes back at least as far as the 1200s.
      2. There have been war crimes on both sides, and they both need be acknowledged in order to have a good faith conversation. Fact of the matter is that hamas is completely indiscriminate in their targets. There have been more than a few cases of Israeli civilian hostages being flat out raped and / or murdered by their captives during this war. I know of at least 2 instances where israeli hostages were actually killed by doctors.

      I don’t know enough about the Judenrates to give an opinion on the subject. It looks like an interesting topic though, so I will read up on it.

      edit: on my brief reading abotu Judenrates during wwii i get the distinct impression that these were people thrust into leadership positions that they may or may have not have wanted. They were used by the Nazis to potentially make impossible choices that hurt their fellow community members, but they had to make these choices or else their community would have suffered even more harm. They had to make “lesser of the evils” choices. I imagine these choices often made their community members dislike them, whether or not the Judenrates were making these choices with intention of doing the best they could for their people.

      I’m curious where you find a connection between these WWII Judenrates and present day Israel?

      • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world
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        17 days ago

        the re-colonization of Israel by Jews goes back at least as far as the 1200s.

        Immigration is not the same as colonization. When immigrating to a location (even mass migration) the power dynamics do not allow for the migrating group to dominate the local group. Colonization is when that power dynamic is flipped.

        There have been war crimes on both sides, and they both need be acknowledged

        Again power dynamics and scale are the most important factor here. If someone punches you that does not give you the right to murder their whole family. If someone peacefully barged their way into your home and you to leave what would your response be?

        They were used by the Nazis to potentially make impossible choices that hurt their fellow community members, but they had to make these choices or else their community would have suffered even more harm

        Yes, but why did Nazi Germany form them? What was their purpose in the machine?

        I’m curious where you find a connection between these WWII Judenrates

        I think it would be more productive for you to do a bit of reading and come back with what you think I’m getting at. I think answering that now would color the perception and make it harder to learn about a very important political concept.

        • MangioneDontMiss@lemm.ee
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          17 days ago

          we could have a big argument on the power dynamics you’re talking about, and I don’t really want to, but I will note the slew of pogroms in the middle east and ask you read about why the Bar Giora was formed. This was not a one sided affair.

          and you talk about murdering whole families as if that wasn’t the intent of pogroms. Again, both perspectives need to be taken into account.

          as for the stuff about the Judenrates, I don’t really want to play games with you. Tell me what your point is or drop it.