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Americans, shut the fuck up. You’re not helping as is, don’t criticise while your own house is burning down.
Would’ve been nice if they did this 80 years ago when they started this whole mess
What does this mean? Are there any meaningful implications or are we just stating the obvious? In a world where Palestine has been occupied for over 50 years, and for some reason it isn’t legally called annexation, do these designations mean anything?
Will they have formula diplomatic relations? Will Palestinians finally be able to get valid passports?
Here is an Australian Broadcasting Company (Aussie ABC, not to be confused with the US/Disney one), explaining what this all means: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-21/australia-recognises-state-of-palestine-two-state-solution/105799276
I don’t want to miss-state what is in the article, but it is a move in part to distance ourselves from the US position, and to help embolden other nations to also do so. With sufficient international backing (Australia is too small to be able to swing things by itself), recognition of a legitimate Palestinian government would include things such as embassies, passports, trade deals etc.
Unfortunately, although our brains have become desensitised over the past decade by over-the-top political bullshit - this is how things used to be handled in a more civilised time.
I think it’s one of those things which technically enables some stuff (embassies or some shit? The reframing of Israel as literally invading another country, rather than committing sins against ppl whose homeland exists but doesn’t exist?) but probably won’t have much on an impact and is more designed to say ‘hehm. Ackshually it is not totally super cool what you guys are doing’. But then we probably continue to sell them components and widgets that ultimately get used in war machines because dude have you seen the way predominantly-English-speaking nations act towards those that aren’t? But like I think it as at least something, and will likely have implications of technical legality that make some enablement of Israel more difficult or even impossible as the new setting takes hold. Maybe.
Of course by that time…
But let’s hold onto some tiny modicum of hope, because what else is there. Even a teaspoon of water in the desert is better than mouth of sand.
they won’t do anything meaninful like put sanctions on israel so it’s mainly performative bullshit.
it’s just meant as a signal to american establishment politicians that they should maybe stop betting on a losing horse
The answer is no for all your questions
“what does this all mean?”
“No”
Ok. 🤣
Russia invades Ukraine. Sanction the fuck out of Russia.
Israel invades Palestine…
Israel always get a free past. The western leaders are so racist and pathetic.
Yeah, you’re missing a couple pretty fucking important details in this comparison.
Details like arming israel to commit genocide
And what might those pretty fucking important details be?
Hasbara bullshit, presumably
Yeah Russia isn’t a settler colony of the United States
frfr, Russia isn’t committing genocide. (Not defending Russia, if it’s not clear)
They’re attempting to, with how they treat Ukranians in territories they occupy, but thankfully Ukraine is able to defend themselves against missiles and bombers. Not really the case with Palestine, not much a Palestinian kid can do against complete and total saturation bombardment and snipers to pick off the civilians that survive. Israel and Russia are two sides of the same coin against very differently equipped victims.
I mean they kinda are, just in a different way. Russia claims that all Ukrainians are actually Russian and they don’t deserve their own sovereignty. They essentially want to commit a cultural genocide of Ukraine and any Ukrainians that refuse to relinquish their culture or identity as Ukrainian.
I’m no expert though, so I’d appreciate if someone with more in-depth knowledge could expand on this a bit.
I mean, their state media is pretty upfront about the intents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Russia_Should_Do_with_Ukraine
I thought kidnapping all those children was deemed to count.
Israel invades Palestine…
If Ukraine invaded Russia first by cutting the breasts off teenage girls at a music festival and the country was run by an islamic jihadi terrorist organisation pretty sure we would have just let Russia invade
Why don’t you talk about the rapes during the nekba, the rape and torture in israeli prisons, the rape and torture in the west bank ? The terrorists operstions by the lehi and haganah etc. Zionists admiting their settler colonialism intention? The one station solutions offers that the plo suggested? The non zionist Yemeni jews tat migrated to palestine and was welvomed by palestinians?
Alternately what if the most egregious claims of sexual violence were made up by the opposing side to justify their overblown response?
I’m not going to fault you for blindly repeating what you may have heard, but you need to know also it may not necessarily be true.
I know it’s a cringey, dead meme response, but tell me you don’t understand one single thing about the Palestine-Israel conflict without telling me you don’t understand one single thing about the Palestine-Israel conflict…
He knows he is just a monster who defend genocide and settler colonialism
A jihadi terrorist organisation partially sponsored by Israel itself
While selling arms to israel to destroy palestine
Basically this.
“We recogni
zse Israel’s right to invade and destroy the state of Palestine.”
They still claims that it’s Hamas who don’t want peace and returning the hostages while it’s israel who don’t want to. Netenyahu refuse any palestinian state even one without hamas and without the right to an army for self defense because he claim it’s their land.
They claim to be horrified about what is happening in gaza while not sanctionning israel, lying about stop selling weapons and not acknowledging the genocide
Hamas is a violent terrorist organization, it just happens to also be the only one even remotely attempting to fight back against Israel’s attacks. There are no “good guys” in this war (barring the victims just trying to live their lives), just bad and worse. Israel has been attacking Palestine both physically and via illegally seizing their land for decades, while Hamas has been staging terrorist attacks against Israel for just as long. It’s hard not to fault the Palestinian people for supporting Hamas when they’re the only ones that are doing literally anything to fight back against Israel, but that also doesn’t make Hamas good. At best they’re a necessary evil.
Hamas doesn’t want peace, they want victory, but Israel doesn’t want peace either, they want to finish the genocide they started decades ago. The only ones that actually want peace are the civilians that are stuck between Hamas and the IDF. Unlike Hamas though the international community supports the IDF even though the IDF is just as guilty of staging terror attacks as Hamas is.
Hamas is an anti colonial resistance movement. The only countries that deem Hamas to be terrorists are the colonial Western powers or their vassals. The rest of the world don’t consider them to be terrorists.
Its like calling the Free French army or the Viet Minh terrorists
They’re terrorists because they indiscriminately bomb civilians. If they were an official army they’d be war criminals the same way the IDF are war criminals for also indiscriminately bombing civilians. Anyone who bombs civilians (on purpose) is either a terrorist or a war criminal. People seem to be struggling with this concept that everyone in a conflict can be wrong, even if they have some legitimate grievances with each other.
Israel is absolutely stealing Palestinian land and has been for decades. They need to be evicted and that land returned to the Palestinian people. Palestine needs to be an independent country, Israel has demonstrated that they’re incapable of leaving Palestine alone and a hard border between them is the only approach likely to fix that.
Hamas on the other hand has spent decades killing Israeli civilians and even if there was a two state solution would continue to stage attacks on Israel as a significant portion of their members are Islamic extremists (further complicated by support from neighboring Islamic countries that hate the idea of a Jewish state for religious reasons). The problem Palestine faces is that Hamas is the only force they have access to that can do anything against Israel even if that thing is to launch terrorist attacks.
There are strong parallels between Hamas and the IRA, another terrorist organization, but also stark differences. Both organizations have or had legitimate grievances they were responding to, but both also engaged in indiscriminate violence that did little to advance their stated goals. If by some miracle this current war is resolved without the genocide of the Palestinian people (a genocide the current Israeli leadership seems dedicated to) hopefully Hamas disbands the same way the IRA did, but I’m very doubtful of such an outcome, there is far too much religious and ethnic animosity in that region.
In a perfect world Palestine would be its own country, have its own army, and Israel and Palestine would work together to stamp out Hamas. If Israel tried to push into Palestinian territory the Palestinian army would push them back and if it came down to it the Palestinian military and IDF would fight each other. What the Palestinian army wouldn’t be doing is murdering random Israeli civilians the way Hamas is (and if they did Palestine would face sanctions for those war crimes the same way Israel should be currently).
All of this is of course made significantly more complicated by the US primarily but also other countries supporting Israel because they have a terrible relationship with the Islamic countries in the region (for both good and bad reasons) and want a friendly country to use as a military outpost. The US has been far too involved with Israel for decades now and they’ve become far too invested in propping up the current administration (also the US has its own significant issues with its current administration).
Other countries need to stop supporting Israel and sanction them for both their war crimes and their decades of stealing Palestinian land. Hamas needs to be wiped out the same way ISIS does, but not by the IDF who have shown they’re incapable of doing so without engaging in even worse atrocities than Hamas commits.
Hamas sabotaged the Oslo Accords, which were the last viable route to a two state solution. They chose to square off against Bibi and his ilk, certain that their god would hand them victory. They´re not a necessary evil, they condemned the entire region to this madness
Likud and the settlers bare just as much responsibility for Oslo falling apart as hamas. Probably even more so since they funded hamas in the first place.
There is israel the occupier and the oppressor that believe the whole land belong to them and palestinians who sometimes commit act of vengence in response to that. There is only.one bad side.
Your stupid status quo is the reason why israel continue to occupy
Blowing up random civilians isn’t an act of vengeance, that’s exactly the sort of atrocity that Israel is committing now. If Hamas restricted themselves to blowing up IDF bases and attacking IDF soldiers there would be no question that they’re in the right, but they’re mostly killing Israeli civilians which is just as wrong as when the IDF does it to Palestinian civilians. Just because one side is significantly more powerful than the other doesn’t negate that. If the roles were reversed and it was Hamas who was committing genocide against Israel would you still be making this argument?
What’s needed is an independent 3rd party. Israel needs to be forcibly removed from Palestinian land and the IDF disarmed until they can show they can do their job without murdering civilians. Hamas needs to be rooted out and Palestine needs an actual military that will be able to stand up to the IDF. None of that is going to happen under either Hamas or the current Israeli government, both of them would rather just keep murdering civilians.
Vengence never mean legitimate killing but it’s an fact that hamas attrocities is in response to israel attrocities . The only way to end violence is the end of occupation which isrsel will not accept and the hypocrites like you and the countries claiming to care about palestinians refuse to acknowledge.
Israel is the one saying we will never give you the land that the international law say is palestinian. Israel is the one who is always killing negociators israel is the one currently exterminating the other.
Hamas is the one saying they will drop arms once the occupayion end. Even if you don’t believe hamas a real free palestine will have an army to destory hamas. Hamas would lost almost all it’s support since the occupation the source of the problem end unless you arr a racist who think palestinians are bloodthirty who like to kill jews. It’s a fact that hamas din’t have the ability to destroy israel
I don´t think your definition of ´the occupation´ is the same as Hamas´
It is . It is pre-67 borders so all the Gaza Strip and all the West Bank, and all East Jerusalem.
Do you deny that Israel also claim there is no occupation and that all the Palestinian land belong to them ?
I kind of thought that they all would have assumed we all just forgot about this pledge they’d made last month. Good on the Commonwealth for showing some integrity!
And let’s get to the next step.
I understand this has symbolic significance, but in the end, does it really accomplish anything?
Are any of these countries going to sanction Israel, or… anything?
It’s a smoke screen to act like they are not complicit in the genocide
I’m hoping that all the “stateless” Palestinian refugees in these countries are finally able to obtain some sort of recognition and have an easier time regarding residency.
We’ll see, though. The British started this whole fucking show after WWII, this is the least they can do.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-taiwan
I don’t raise this as a tu quoque kind of argument, just saying that Taiwan is a country that has its shit together far better than palestine (functioning government, democracy, no major terrorist organizations, no wars, trading around the world) and only 12 countries in the world have formally recognized it.
That’s because there was money to be made from doing business with China, and the price was selling out Taiwan for that sweet cheap labor.
They probably don’t have oil to steal
China is not destroying taiwan, israel is destroying palestine.
Israel is also run by terrorists and was created by terrorists like the lehi and haganah
Good to set the precedent.
Who is following the situation: just some abstract recognition or with some concrete borders?
At this rate palestine will no longer exists
Yeah. I’m from Ukraine. We know here perfectly well how passive and slow the world is.
They didn’t wait 77 years though to help ukraine against russian invasion. This is not to minimize your suffering or russian crimes
Yes, only 10 years. But Ukraine is in Europe and Palestine is somewhere there. So that hastiness is easily explained.
