I am not criticizing them, I’m just out of the loop.
Trans people and communists are nearly half of software dev. The other half are furries.
How dare you imply most software devs aren’t all three simultaneously
Not sure why this is such a common perception. Most of the software devs I know are pretty average people other than being computer nerds. I met one trans CS student in college but that was it.
Being trans is correlated with autism and you will find a bunch of autistic people in tech, because tech makes more sense to then than humans do. Same with things like videogame speedrunning.
If you don’t see that there is a greater number of trans people than in the general population you might want to look again.
mate he didn’t say in general
he said the devs of Lemmy
normie cs dorkies are chasing 12hr intern jobs at explotative upstarts
youve been here for 17 days and made nearly 500 comments and ive seen you reply with obvious troll comments to every comment on several different posts on here.
You need a life dude.
Based off the amount of fury porn communities I’ve blocked, half seems very, very conservative. What’s the old joke, if a bomb went off at a fury convention the Internet would go down?
I feel so out-of-place, being a regular run of the mill gay dude.
It’s more a Venn diagram which includes trans furries, communist furries and the elusive trans communist furry which has only been theorised to exist.
I have proof they exist, there you go
Oh I hate myself for doing this but…
*elusive
Changed it.
How did you spell it before? Btw, is there a comment history function on Lemm like there is on Twitter Blue?
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GNU+UwU
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That’ll be partly down to the communist and transgender coders who helped lay the foundations for this place.
I for one welcome our trans communist overlords
Reddit is living in 2010 while we’re out here building fully automated luxury trans space communism.
That’s a possibility. Since the platform started off on their terms, it’s harder to convince new people of opposing politics to join the community.
A big part is because things like the Fediverse are aligned with the goal of Communists. Do away with the profit motive and constant rat race so we can spend time doing and making great things.
Imagine if Facebook wasn’t interested in ad revenue and data gathering but truly sought to keep people connected and to facilitate communication. No bullshit algorithm, no manipulation to keep people doom scrolling.
On a technical level, federation is arguably just as compatible with libertarianism. Each instance is its own island nation, free to set its own rules while members vote with their feet in free association. That it hasn’t gone that route is more to do with the founding population than the technology.
Ya, the tech interests me. It feels like a version of the earlier internet where private forums and webrings were the norm. I like the native support for blocking things I don’t care to see as well.
Most of them seem to be centred around a few instances, they’re pretty easy to avoid once you have the lay of the land.
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The issue I have with this is that publicly expressing their love for others is an extremely natural and normal thing to do. Talking openly about your opposite-gender spouse, kissing or holding hands with your partner, going out for a nice date - whatever. These are all totally normal things which people won’t blink at when a heterosexual couple is doing it, yet LGBT people can still be discriminated against for these behaviours. That’s not even getting into trans or gender-non-conforming people, who can be discriminated against simply for existing and presenting the way they do.
I don’t just want to ensure that LGBT people are free from explicit legislative discrimination. I want them to be free from social discrimination as well. Social consequences for being publicly gay are not acceptable, even if people aren’t in favour of more open forms of discrimination.
I find myself to be a stereotypical Lemmy user. I’m trans, (anarcho-) communist, a programmer and Linux engineer.
I’m older, I transitioned (ugh I hate that word) about 2 decades ago. I got into computers consciously and very intentionally. I knew I’d need to support myself soon and spent a good amount of time thinking what industries or companies might be willing to hire someone like me (this was even before trans people had employment rights in California!). I chose computers because I felt like it was an industry where someone might hire me, I could make enough to survive and pay for surgery, and because it seemed one where my co-workers would be less likely to beat me up or kill me.
When it comes to communism, I have a hunch that being trans forces you to think about society and why you are not accepted, who is causing your troubles and why. It seems apparent why someone so low on the social acceptance ladder as a trans person would be repelled by exploitation based zero-sum systems and attracted to systems that would allow them to survive and thrive.
Linux seemed just fundamentally awesome to me. You mean people could just choose to get together, coordinate, and build one of the most complex things to exist on the planet and give it away for free? Sign me up! I think Lemmy and the Fediverse are attractive for similar reasons.
Thanks for this. It was very well-reasoned, and gave me a perspective I hadn’t thought of before.
I was going to say because Linux is a big community on lemmy. And as we all know, Linux users are all either trans or femboys. /s
I transitioned (ugh I hate that word)
Slightly off topic but I’m curious, why do you hate that word and is there different wording that you’d prefer?
I’m not sure, I just cringe every time I have to say it. I guess it’s just kinda like referring to one’s puberty as “blossoming” and feeling cringe when talking to friends and you’re like, “…before I blossomed …”. In that case you’d more likely say “when I was a kid”, but I don’t want to say “when I was a dude” lol.
It’s just a personal thing, no issues with the word or those who use it/like it. I don’t have a word I prefer.
Makes sense, thanks for elaborating :)
Ahhh, yes, the good old anarchocommunism, also known as bigotry 😆
Why do you think communism would allow you to thrive?
Seriously, take a look at the history of communist countries and tell me which one you think you would have looked to exist in as a trans person 🤣
You’re conflating communism with authoritarianism.
Unregulated capitalism causes more harm than any other form of government not appropriately regulated. It’s worth more thought if you find yourself actively against it. We’ve been indoctrinated hard.
Communism = authoritarianism.
I notice you didn’t answer my question either.
So far communism had only been tried in small groups (where tribal dynamics make it work) and in Soviet and Chinese authoritarian regimes
Communism ≠ command economy
Communism ≠ authoritarianism
Communism = a broad selection of idiologies more or less agreeing with the idea “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need”
Several countries have such strong socialist policies in place that they could reasonably be called communist if we didn’t pretend that capitalism was opposite to and incompatible with communism. Capitalism is an excellent technology for extracting from each according to their ability.
“Full communism” where you strive for perfect equality is probably less bad than “full capitalism” where you strive for full freedom of capital. Enough capitalism that you have the incentives it supplies and enough communism that those who won’t or can’t work are paid enough to live healthily and be in a position to seek work if they wish to, seems to be a good and reasonable position.
I’ll answer the other part for the parent comment too
If they fail to fit in to normal culture at work and are so unsuccessful at working, communism gives them a safety net.
- They could have taken a risk and selected a job they expect to enjoy rather than one that will accept them if there’s a safety net
- they could have selected a job they might enjoy rather than one calculated to pay enough to save for gender reassignment surgery if the state would pay for the surgery
- they could have had the surgery earlier (which makes it better) if the state paid for it
It’d be fantastic evidence if we could actually look at documentation of how these small group trials have worked out. Honestly, it’s the first I’m hearing of them.
I don’t understand the word “paid” appearing in your third bullet point. Wouldn’t a communistic society operate without money? Generally speaking, what would a doctor’s motivation be to get 11+ years of medical school + residencies, then perform a difficult operation on a patient that has potential for complications and blame? (In a capitalist society, the motivation would be “Helping people” plus “Money”, tied with hospital-level protections against malpractice suits, but I’m curious about your answer)
To give you the less complicated answer, communism is an economic system, not a form of government. Communism can and has been authoritarian, but it can also be libertarian or anarchistic. There’s nothing inherently authoritarian about an economy without money and without classes, based on need. It’s just the ideologies that want to (or say they want to) implement it in authoritarian ways that got to run the more famous socialist experiments. If you want to see how non-authoritarian communism worked, there are also historical examples of it, they’re just smaller and lasted less.
Answering your question - in the period where most countries that called themselves communist existed, no capitalist countries accepted trans people either. But you are a capitalist nonetheless no? Huh, I wonder why.
Because the people that flock to these platforms first are usually technically adept nerds and free thinkers.
Because the Lemmy software was developed by communist-leaning developers and they have, prior to the reddit exodus, had the biggest communities. As for the transgender related content, the transgender community was one of the largest to leave reddit for Lemmy.
I wonder why disparate and well-meaning communities would leave a social media platform full of outspoken fascists.
Do a shot every time someone says this
And if you’re transgender and your choices for typical ideology for cisgender community members are communist or fascist, the choice is generally going to be communist.
Communists leaning is putting it lightly.
The creators of Lemmy are openly marxist-leninist That why one of the biggest instances was .ml
As in M Marxist L Leninist
There aren’t nearly as many right wingers and fascists as social media makes you believe. Speaking as a Mastodon instance admin, every single time we’ve had huge waves of bot and/or troll signups they’ve been very clearly right wing accounts (almost all had similar bios) that almost immediately started interacting with and boosting each other as well as harassing trans and queer people.
The thing about the fediverse is that it can’t be manipulated the way centralized social media can. So what happens is that it gets handled very quickly. They get banned and their instances get defederated so all they can do is shout into the void. They’re not, nor have they ever been, the majority by any stretch of the imagination, and most people have absolutely no desire to hear what they have to say at all.
On top of that, a huge number of them are grifters, and they won’t get any engagement here. They can’t get the kind of viral outrage they need because most people aren’t even seeing their posts.
stares in “12% of Greek voters choosing blatant facist parties”
Same problem in Germany (just worse) right now, but we should still remember that 12 or even 20% are far from the majority. They are very good at shouting so loud that you could think there are more, but there aren’t. They only have as much power as we give them.
25% of any population is pure lunatics.
Another 25% are just dumb as rocks.
Then you got about 35% of average decent people.
Then you have 10 % of just awesome people.
5% rich sociopaths
10% other
So 110% total?
Clearly I’m in the dumb as rocks camp 😂
I was talking about social media specifically.
I wonder how long it’s gonna take for the elites to start trying to pull a Conservapedia on the Fediverse? Cause, you know, all that engagement with non-conservative ideas can’t be organic, right? It’s clearly manipulated by the cabal or something, and we gotta have BaLaNcE.
in a word, intersectionality. you’re getting people who were already looking for an excuse to ditch reddit and twitter, and of that group, you’re selecting the ones with the most tech literacy. That tends to overlap people with progressive politics.
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I just hate ads and want the ad driven internet to die.
That’s why I came here too. Then, it was infested with tankies. Been a strange experience so far.
I think that a lot of people forget that collectively all the english as a first language countries added together dont add up to the population of china or india. So the algorithm which doesnt discriminate based on language just feeds us the aggregate.
I try not to get annoyed at the tankies. If my government would fuck my life up and disappear my family for talking shit about them, Id probably play along too.
This is actually an interesting take.
And, I almost tend to agree. They’re awfully tough to digest, even with empathy. Their tactics are… bad?
It’s almost like an abused animal that you’d like to help. But, it’s such a threat that you kinda have to leave it be. Every time you try to feed it, it bites and scratches you,and everyone around you.
At some point, despite the empathy, you just let it starve.
This is the right answer. Of course marginalized groups tend to colonize new communities, because the big platforms, both because of their top-down structuring Nd because of the people who are on them, aren’t always welcoming.
This is different from Voat tho. Voat was explicitly made to be a “free speech zone” i.e. a “let’s say nazi shit because nobody can censor us”-space. The fediverse’s idea is simply not to be dependent on centralised platforms, it says nothing about the content. If it happens to be left leaning, it’s because left leaning people tend to care more about stuff like right to privacy and centralisation.
It really seems like all “free speech” social sites are really just places for racism to flourish.
the most universal and common limits to free speech that people will come across on social media in the west are usually an iteration of ‘don’t be an asshole’
social media censorship is usually relatively lax on other fronts, and various sites will censor different things, whereas most every site will have basic enforcement of ‘don’t be an asshole’ rules
as a result the most crying about free speech will come from folks who got told off for being an asshole and are entirely incapable of getting over it
I don’t think “free speech” and “don’t be an asshole” are incompatible. I do mostly agree with your take, there different flavors of asshole that are more tolerated than others though.
“extremist left” is a bit much to describe groups of people just trying to avoid harassment and hate on platforms clearly careening to the right, with essentially zero moderation, that officially respond to inquiries and concerns with automated poop.
I was with you until “extremist left”.
Kinda crazy how not giving a shit where someone else drops a duece makes you an extreme leftist…
I don’t know if it’s just Reddit and Lemmy, but it feels like the internet in general just started trending heavily towards transgender-related stuff in the past few years. Just references to Femboys and trans flags all over the place, it’s kind of weird how quickly it gained such traction. I don’t have any problem with the trans community, if any of my kids came out as LGBTQ+, I would love them just as much. In high school I literally wore dresses and got beat up and made fun of for being different (more for the punk/goth aesthetic), so I’ve had some understanding of what they go through, even if I don’t identify with any of it personally. I sympathize with what they’re going through right now given that an entire political party has decided to turn them into scapegoats.
And I think it’s great that they’re building a community around themselves and are able to find other people that accept them for who they are, but I find their online communities tend to be incredibly hostile and militant to anybody that is less than completely loyal to the cause. Even just asking questions, giving opinions, or commenting any sort of criticism of their militant behavior gets you banned if you’re not 150% supportive. Anything you say is twisted around to make it seem like you’re a bigot who completely hates trans people and you’re essentially a nazi. It tends to be incredibly negative, like they’re looking to be outraged at the slightest provocation. Their tactics tend to be incredibly heavy-handed, just absolutely no tolerance for Cisgender people not understanding their lifestyle.
So I’ve just started blocking trans and furry content because I just don’t care to see it. It’s just not my bag, nothing against people that are in that community. The same way nobody else would really care to see if I made posts glorifying heterosexuality and being a boring vanilla binary white guy, I’m just not interested in celebrating lifestyle choices simply for the sake of celebrating it. I’ll go to LGBTQ+ weddings and I’ll defend anybody’s right to love whomever they want or be whatever they want to be, but I just have other things I’m more interested in reading about. Board games, science, technology, politics, climate change, graphic design, art, music, movies, and whatever else other than someone else’s sexual identity. Maybe that makes me closed-minded, I don’t know, I thought the point was equality?
If you block furry stuff you’ll miss out on a lot of network security news
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I’m not seeing any of what you’re describing, maybe you should edit your subscriptions and then filter to Subscribed so you’re only getting content that interests you? I think it’s great for people to have an environment where they can celebrate life events that should be allowed to bring them unqualified joy, but IRL may draw snide comments and abuse from families and strangers and coworkers. I’m an old cis het white mom, but maybe I need to seek out some of those communities and spread a bunch of upvotes like confetti at a wedding.
I’ve always thought it was better to browse all and filter out things that don’t interest me rather than try and only subscribe to things that I already know I like. I end up finding communities and discussion that I never would have found otherwise, and honestly, I can’t fathom why that isn’t the default/most popular way of using aggregated sites like this.
It’s kinda like listening to the same 3 albums over and over again just because you already know you like that music vs just letting a station play and skipping the songs that aren’t working out for you.
I saw some new-atheist style anti-mulsim racist trans women online the other day.
Given how men are more likely to be openly racist online, I’ve been waiting for the honeymoon phase of liberal type trans activism to taper off, much like how you can find many right wing LGB people online today, but as this post suggests, they’re mostly liberal for now.
because the fediverse is a place where the admins choose to federate with whoever they want and get to choose what are the policies in their own instances. so you got a chance to stop the hatred and harrasment trans people are victim of on other social plateform where the company don’t want to dive into “political” stuff
it’s kind of a safe space online for trans and lgbt for that reason
Gays are to Boomers as Trans is to Gen-X ers. I’ve been wondering what the marginalized group Millennials are going to have trouble with. My current guess is Poly, but that is just a guess at this point.
Groups I have trouble with as a millennial:
- Fascists and neo-nazis
- Groups which manufacture outrage that marginalize others (This can sometimes be focused/hidden inside of “_____ rights” groups, ironically)
- Anti-intellectuals
- Fringe extremists both on the left & right. They wrap around and are more like each other than they are to their “side”
One thing I don’t understand is certain types of slang but I understand that’s more a result of not being exposed to it regularly then anything else.
Ofc I don’t understand people that identify as a dog, or a snake, or a duck. But they are free to do them, as long as they don’t try and force that on me (ie. Inconveniencing others/trying to be the main character by being unprofessional in the work place, or making life harder for services/people that don’t cater specifically to them…etc). I think that applies generally to anyone, but you seem to have to walk on eggshells if the person who is being a dick is of some other nature, as if that excuses the behavior.
While writing this I had an epiphany. My biggest gripes are harmless groups who are viewed as fragile, who are able to get away with behavior/actions that others cannot because others don’t want to be viewed as _____Phobic and lynched. Empowering some of them to, generally, be assholes. That’s what I can’t stand.
I didn’t used to believe in Horseshoe Theory, but then I learned about Tankies
Millennial here, no hate towards poly-folk. Seems exhausting, but do you boo.
I expect it will be something AI related, like wanting them to have rights or whatever as they approach mimicking human behavior and
appearingbeing alive (see, did it there). Likely because of a decade or so of us being economically threatened, and not viewing them as things that can think/'feel/not-want-to-die or whatever.No fucking way will I ever support AI having rights. It’s game over then, just hand all the power to corpos.
I’m a millennial, and the only people I have a beef with are the “Bar Nazis”, you know, the kind of people who are outright fascists, but they try to hide it because they think that they can convert you.
Im gen z and I just want to sacrifice Nazis.
You’re allowed to say this here without catching a “Advocating for Violence!” message from staff?
Dang, it really was time to leave Reddit (Seriously they sent me a warning for agreeing with a guy who said he wanted to punch Nazis… They’re… NAZIS! It’s okay to hate Nazis, they literally hate literally everyone else!)
/s Those polygones are at it again, ruining <home country here>.
It’s not that hard. Capitalists and neoliberals
Lemmy is a free open source software project. People into FOSS like the idea of something being built by a community to the benefit of everyone and not being controlled by any one person or company who could seek to benfit only themselves. It makes sense that their political ideology mirrors that.
FOSS and just programming and tech in general have an unusually large number of trans people. I’m going to be honest, I’m not exactly sure why. I can only assume because programmers are judged based on their code and not their appearance.
Tech doesn’t really self select for well balanced, socially confident, neurologically normal folks.
I’m sure those people are in tech and have success as well, but the stereotype of the “hacker nerd” didn’t spring out of nothing. The obsessiveness and desire to be right and know everything that make IT geniuses can also make those same folks really, really hard to be around.
People that are ostracized for their socially aberrant behavior usually (not always!) have sympathy for other outcast groups, whatever the reason.
And you’re right, too - writing code is sort of one of those ultimate bullshit tests - either it works, or it doesn’t. Computers don’t care about your pedigree or your appearance or even your personality. Nice guys who write shit code might have management or product team in their future, but they don’t usually write code for very long. But good devs are hard to find, so even the most straight laced companies are willing to bend a bit when it comes to talented developers.
My $.02, and worth every penny 😂
Jesus’s fuck I hope I’m never judged on my code.
Idk but I mostly block all communities involving the former (but the latter doesn’t bother me at all). I don’t use lemmy to argue politics or first world problems, especially with people who are often incredibly hostile to dissent. I use it to post pictures of my beautiful home state and talk about gaming
I would expect it’s due to suppression on mainstream platforms.
And unlike hate-based subcultures like you find in conservatism or disgust-based subcultures present in traditionalist circles which require some
targets to criticizehosts to sink their mandibles into and suck the blood out of, the LGBTQIA+, Anti-capitalist, Furry, Weeb, etc subcultures are quite happy existing without the presence of bigots, corpo-simps, or chuds in general.
