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TL;DR:
Semple, a multi-disciplinary British artist, promised to build “a brand new suite of world-class design and photography tools, with an uncanny similarity to the tools you’ve been indoctrinated in.”
“There’s a really urgent need for a suite of creative tools for creators that they actually own rather than rent. In a way, this first started when Adobe and Pantone decided to paywall the Pantone colors and I created Freetone — which was a free color plugin so creators could continue to access their palette,” he says.
“I have lawyers, and I’ve taken advice. We have solid plans in place. I would also point out that nobody has seen the final branding and no software that infringes on any of Adobe’s trademarks has been produced,”
“I have successfully challenged IP owned by Tiffany and Co, Pantone, Mattel, and others over the years. I feel we have a good and thorough understanding of where the legal line is and an ability to get as close to that as possible without overstepping it.”
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Took me 3 reads to notice that ABODE is not ADOBE
Maybe I’m a little dyslexic after 8 hours of work.
Bruh, till I read this I was so confused, like Adobe is taking on Adobe? lol, what?
I thought the article was going to be about a trademark dispute, lol.
Same lol
Jesus Christ thank you. I thought I had a stroke.
tfw dyslexic people trying to read this post
I have dyslexia and had such a hard time. Took like 3 reads to get it right
I don’t have dyslexia and I had a hard time as well… but I just woke up so IDK
Even after reading the post I still wasn’t sure how Adobe was taking on Adobe.
I don’t and until the comments explained it I couldn’t see it either.
Affinity is available today. The products are great, the pricing is reasonable, and it is not subscription based.
I’ve used Affinity for many years, I really like it, and for the low one-time price, it’s been a spectacular value. That said, it can no longer even compare to Photoshop given their incredible AI capabilities and some of their other integrated features. In my case, I’ll stick with Affinity because I’m more of a hobbyist, but if I was a graphics professional, I’d most certainly have to use Photoshop.
High-end professionals avoid Adobe like the plague. Photoshop still doesn’t have decent EXR support or 32-bit support.
It’s great for 5-person design studios, maybe.
Didn’t know that. What do the high end pros use?
High end pro’s use any tool that is better suited for a job, including Photoshop.
as a dyslexic person I had to read that 6 times to see the difference.
I’m not dyslexix, and I didn’t realize the issue until I saw your comment.
If I depend on yours software to work, I’m not willing to pay a subscription. Period.
I’d happily pay for a 2023 Adobe Lightroom classic. Unfortunately Adobe doesn’t offer this, but I can find it sailing the high seas branded this way.
It’d be cool to just buy it and get a year’s worth of updates with the option of going subscription then
What? If you require a hammer to do work you refuse to pay for hammer?
A subscription isn’t buying a hammer. A subscription is buying access to a hammer. Access that can be revoked at any time. That’s not very reliable.
If you require a hammer to do work, you just buy a hammer that you can use for the rest of time or until you buy a better hammer.
You don’t pay $10 dollars a month for the rest of time for the same hammer you could have just paid for previously. Especially since HammerCo might up the price, go out of business, or flat out stop offering the hammer subscription you rely on, and you lose access to your vital resource.
What a dumb argument.
When you shove crayons up your nose and you’re only paying a subscription for those crayons, you’re going to have to return the crayons after the subscription ends
But see if you bought those crayons, you could leave them up there as long as you’d like.
I’m not buying a hammer subscription
I buy a hammer. I don’t want to depend on another company for my hammer to work.
Subscribe to go fuck your dumb analogy.
I buy a hammer. I don’t rent it. When I buy a hammer I pay up front for the one I’m getting and keep it until it breaks or I replace it (and even when I replace it I likely keep the old one). I’ve got four hammers that I’ve had for between 20 and 4 years. And I paid for each of them once.
I think he’ll just deliver some reskinned FOSS projects at best.
Its one thing to make a color chart, its a whole other thing to make all of Adobe.
Well Stuart Semple is someone who has generally been quite reliable in what he does and a fairly prominent artist, so he presumably understands how the Adobe tools work. He probably doesn’t have the technical know-how on how to build it. The article mentions that it’s a team of sixteen people right now without the funding presumably.
I mean the worst case is they pick an existing project like gimp, krita, darktable or inkscape and brings in enough features to Adobe parity. That isn’t a bad outcome at all.
The worse case you mention is probably actually the best case scenario tbh. If they deliver beyond that it’ll be a bonus. Right now, this is just looking like yet another Kickstarter self-filling water bottle scam in the making.
As it’s going to be closed source, the project is worthless
GIMP + Inkscape UI refresh and I’d fund the shit out of that.
I don’t know about inkscape but with GIMP I get the feeling that the devs are happy with how it is. Someone will probably will need to fork for a significant paradigm shift to happen
He’s right, Adobe’s grip on users is bullshit. I just doubt that he’s gonna be the guy to fix it.
One of my many gripes with Inkscape is the steep learning curve. If this new application fixes it, I’d see myself using it as long as I don’t have to rent the software.
Till then, Inkscape all the way.
Inkscape is one of the better open source UIs IMO. There’s a lot to learn about vector vs raster graphics but that’s not the fault of Inkscape.
Gimp took a while to figure out.
Blender has got the be one of the steepest learning curves out there though. Not that the UI for Blender is bad. It’s just that there are 5-6 different sections and each section is like learning a new app. It’s huge and does everything.
Blender took me a lot of time to master. It’s not exactly bad. The only thing is stuff is hard to find. And if you don’t use it frequently, you’ll eventually forget how to use it.
During COVID, I decided to give Blender a shot. It did work out, and I started creating some cool stuff. Then a few months passed, and when I reopened it, I was like, uh…
Curious… do you like Gimp? I actually loathe it, and I’ve tried to change that many times. The most basic tasks feel like an unintuitive struggle for me. Photoshop on the other hand, feels easy to use, once I understood the concepts and learned a few basic shortcut keys.
I don’t mind it. I am not a heavy graphics editor though. Usually just basic functions and those are decently usable. I haven’t found much that’s really stupid design wise or workflow related.
Agreed. Why does FOSS feel like they have to reinvent the wheel when it comes to UI. Just take what people know and run with it. It’s literally the same functions (Béziers, splines, etc)
I believe Inkacape was initially devised as a corel draw alternative, the dominant vector image editor at the time, so it’s like that, but simpler.
how about working with already existing adobe alternatives and help get them better
After the Pantone fallout last year, I cancelled my Adobe subscription and bought Serif Affinity’s apps and haven’t looked back. Yes, there are a few work arounds and even almost a year in, I’m still looking up the occasional tool/feature that is comparable but I have saved $55/month. The ONLY features I miss are GREP and Scripts in InDesign but I have lived without them.
Kinda off topic but the title of this post made me think; Do you think Adobe HQ is referred to as the “Abode”?
Poor timing in light of the recent Supreme Court Ruling. Stupid name, stupid decision, all of that Kickstarter money essentially gone.
That’s nuts - if it was a bottle of alcohol meant to parody the brand that’d be one thing, but it’s a fucking dog chew toy.
Wether I agree with how trademarks are legislated or not, I don’t understand why anyone would expect that they could use another company’s trademark on a sold product, regardless of the industry they are operating in. It’s not hard to imagine people would be confused that Jack Daniel’s in this case, decided to release a funny dog chew toy, and regardless of the #2 wording being acceptable or not, Jack Daniel’s would have no way to ensure product quality to protect their trademarked brand that’s printed right on the damn thing. Supreme Court got this right in my opinion.
Does anyone else think this will go to court over copyright infringement? Purposefully similar name and same industry.
Yeah, I do think that they should pick a different name as theirs is very easy to mistake for Adobe. I had to read the headline twice because the first time it sounded like Adobe was taking on itself. I understand the desire to give them a “fuck you”, but that name will just cause confusion that will likely hurt both brands.
I hope that “final branding” that no one has seen yet involves an entirely new name and that this one was just used in the meantime to generate publicity.
I read it as Adobe battling Adobe as if there was some inner strife. And I’m a pretty good reader, if I do say so myself.
This is so obviously stupid, because that $235k they raised will end up going straight to Adobe all because they wanted to be edgy?
Copyright? Only if the code is the nearly the same.
Are Adobes patents still valid?
The trademark will end up in court, where the standard is “likelihood of confusion.”
“Abode” will absolutely get destroyed thru the legal process even if they don’t lose the lawsuit.
Its trademark, not copyright. And it is deliberate. A lawsuit is likely to generate more value in publicity and news coverage than the case will cost.
That’s why they deliberately chose an infringing mark.
I’m not sure its a sure thing for adobe (the established company) that this newer company is infringing per se. You need to do business with the trademark to ‘use’ the mark - the caption makes it sound like they will change their mark before doing any business? On the other hand, advertising counts as doing business where the mark is associated but that can get a bit tricky…
If we assume this is not an advertisement, then it’s just like anyone else scribbling down the logo of another company on a sheet of paper and saying I made a thing
mike rowe couldn’t keep mikerowesoft.com. it’s his actual name, too. no way abode is allowed to exist in any space remotely adjacent to documents, software, or media/arts.
I kind of wish he’d just raise money for or contribute to existing FOSS Adobe alternatives that are still feature-lacking.
Color me skeptical
The Foss community already tried for years. And the gap is widening even more thanks to AI.
Speak for yourself. GIMP rules, and DaVinci Resolve (not OSS, but still free) does just fine.
Fuck Adobe.
Openshot, kdenlive, handbrake, we got a bunch of options.
Even as a FOSS lover, those softwares are unfortunately light years behind professional solutions like Premiere, DaVinci, Photoshop, etc. But I wish he would open source all those Abode projects.
I agree, these solutions are more of light and hobbyist solutions. Adobe has always been the leader of the creative tools and it’s unfortunate.
Davinci is straight up way better than premiere lol
DaVinci has its quirks and one or two things I wished it had. But, it is far more feature-rich than 95% of the population needs. And for the other 5%, there’s plenty of plugins.
GIMP is for hobbyists. Ir has a broken core that needs a rewrite to fix.
Way better alternative is Affinity Photo.
Unfortunately I think the name is kinda poor. I get why they named it but the SEO is always going to be bad against Adobe.
