Sorry to post my shitty neofetch to this community

      • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.one
        1·
        2 years ago

        I’ll be switching to Lineage soon…

        Google forced my manufacturer (Fairphone) to effectively ‘disable’ the fingerprint scanner from android 13 onwards for the FP3. Our Lineage fork reverted that Google mandated change thankfully

      • _comfortablyAverage_@lemmy.ml
        0·
        2 years ago

        or if your device has a maintainer willing: EvolutionX. im surprised how painless of an experience this custom rom is. and it’s got no bullshit stuff in it either. fucking crazy. they even got ota support… it’s like oem rom experience, only, there’s no third party spyware installed(excluding GApps. but even google’s telemetry can be highly restricted when we install AFWall+ and use NextDns+Adaway along with it). it’s been years(close to a decade actually) since I’ve used an oem rom on my personal phone, it’s just that good

    • TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
      10·
      2 years ago

      I have started to hate Brave with how much of their BS that they have added in the browser. Things like VPN, Rewards , Wallet, News and more. Heck, Chrome now seems better to me bcoz of all these features (bloat) they have managed to add. Same with Edge.

    • SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world
      61·
      2 years ago

      Brave solves one set of problems… And replaces them with an entirely different set of problems. I’ll stick with Firefox.

      • Smoogs@lemmy.world
        48·
        2 years ago

        Firefox is not safer. It’s just a different browser for people who don’t like to say ‘chrome’ in their mouths . It’s not really any different in the safety. It’s like how people think private browsing is private but it’s not. It’s just a comfort label.

        • Fireplant@lemmy.world
          72·
          2 years ago

          Do you KNOW anything about online privacy?

          Not using Chrome is a great first step since your browsing data isn’t directly fed to Gogle. Not using Gogle as your search engine is just the next step. Just by doing this you have mostly ridden G*ogle of the ability to know what you’ve been searching, but they can still get around.

          This is where using stuff like Firefox and Brave is important. Because these browsers come with built-in protection against trackers. But that’s not just it. You want MORE. Next up is installing uBlock Origin. Set it up properly and congratulations you just became essentially invisible on the web. If that isn’t enough then you’re welcome to use TOR or a VPN to completely demolish all good attempts at tracking and spying. In fact, TOR alone would be enough for most users.

          You fuckers always act like having privacy online is impossible or something when it’s really not. All it comes down to is user tech literacy and knowing what do to. I don’t want a browser that straight up listens on the mic to everything I say. NOBODY who knows shit thinks that “private browsing” is safe. NOBODY. That’s why using Firefox is just one step and not all of them.

          • Smoogs@lemmy.world
            21·
            2 years ago

            You fuckers always act like having privacy online is impossible or something when it’s really not. All it comes down to is user tech literacy and knowing what do to.

            And you elitist fuckers love to shame others when it should be made easier for users. Shame on you.

          • flamingarms@feddit.uk
            1·
            2 years ago

            That’s a fairly simplified look at the whole picture though. Fingerprinting is a whole other beast, and Brave and Firefox and associated forks have varying and incomplete protections. For instance, only the Firefox-forked browser called Mull seems to effectively randomize data for canvas fingerprinting, whereas Firefox and Brave don’t have protections against it at all. Saying you’re essentially invisible on the Internet following your steps is pretty inaccurate. There’s way too much money in this shit; web services are fingerprinting on everything they can.

            • Fireplant@lemmy.world
              1·
              2 years ago

              I was talking about PC, it’s just cherrypicking to assume anyone who mentions Firefox as a private browser doesn’t refer to hardened Firefox. And for the record, I use Mull. Like I said, you just need to know your shit.

  • j4k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    422·
    2 years ago

    Stalking. Spying sounds like a kids game or movie. This isn’t observing. This isn’t passive. It is actively exploiting. It is predatory, targeted, manipulative, with intent. It is stalking.

    • m3t00🌎@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      2 years ago

      I’ll hold it. To pour it over their head. lol Edge the assimilated Chrome. most of their desktop apps open links in Edge instead of the default browser. I installed ‘no script’ on Edge and links open to a blank tab on MSN. copy links to my prefered browser. would be on linux except for one game I like

      • SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world
        31·
        2 years ago

        I use Opensuse for everything bar gaming. I dual boot to Win10 for any games I want to play. This setup works pretty well for me.

        • minorsecond@lemm.eeEnglish
          31·
          2 years ago

          I did that with Gentoo and W11 but got sick of Windows messing with the EFI boot order and ended up nuking it. Proton games only from here on out.

        • m3t00🌎@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          tried that once. I worked in IT for many years. server monkey. mostly used VMs on large rack mount hardware for linux/windows servers running various services for a college. forget what that system was called. mostly retired the last 10 years. windows 10-11 took away my left side task bar option and I quit playing the one game. thinking about a new linux box with maybe a windows partition for dos games. VMs don’t usually play nice with games. current dust filter: current dust filter:

          case: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/cases/haf-xb-evo/

  • TwoGems@lemmy.worldEnglish
    331·
    2 years ago

    If you’re forced to use Windows for some things, use Windows 10 LTSC. If you can’t buy it (because Microsoft refuses to let consumers buy a non-spyware version of their OS) then sail the high seas for it. It takes the telemetry out and you’ll have full control over the OS, can more easily remove Edge and can set your group policy and other stuff to completely block telemetry to your taste.

    • Flakfired@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 years ago

      https://ameliorated.io/ is also a handy project for those that don’t want to tinker around with group policies and other tooling. I have been using AtlasOS on my gaming machine for a few months now and the experience and performance has been splendid.

    • j4k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      2 years ago

      I keep 11 for some machine specific settings. It is on a separate drive from Linux and it exists in a post internet age of behind a router that will never give it access to anything. If I need something for it, Linux will placed those files on a separate drive to manually carry them over to little double middle finger OS. Maybe it can have internet one day when it grows up and vomits all its source code in a bankruptcy… Assuming it is not to late to abort this little monster toddler.

  • Prethoryn Overmind@lemmy.world
    354·
    2 years ago

    I think it is funny that this community thinks it knows everything about privacy and security and every time I see a post like this it becomes apparent that the main of this community doesn’t.

    I like the Fediverse but it is a security and privacy nightmare.

    • sag@lemmy.worldOP
      22·
      2 years ago

      I know what you mean. It suck but whatever it’s better than giving data to a big company.

        • DrM@feddit.de
          32·
          2 years ago

          The important thing is: it’s not traced back to you. It’s possible to see everything for everyone, sure. But nobody knows that it’s you and that’s why it’s not as much worth

          • Prethoryn Overmind@lemmy.world
            31·
            2 years ago

            That’s not how it works though? They don’t need to know “who you are,” because with ads you have a unique identifying number. If you are browsing the web and your ads become more catered to you then you are giving data somewhere.

            Privacy is about maintaining as little about yourself as personally possible. That is what gets me about this app. Half the users on here have very little idea how the Internet works. Privacy and security aren’t about going, “I support open source and decentralized software so the big man doesn’t have my data,” but that is not how that works at all. Just because you aren’t giving your data to Mark Zuckerberg and you don’t support Facebook doesn’t mean you aren’t exposing your giving data to someone else.

            I also truly don’t think Lemmy users realize how exposed they are potentially making themselves. Even if the API is free and your app is open source and it isn’t Elon Musk showing you your image of a cat does not mean you are private and secure.

            Lemmy services and instances are hosted on a server and use an API that is open to anyone and everyone that wants to host an instance and community. So instead you are entrusting your data to someone you don’t know on their hardware that you don’t know anything about.

            From a security and privacy point of view Lemmy is a nightmare. Mastadon, etc. Even if your data is encrypted or passed along secure channels and you can migrate your data to some other instances does not mean you are safe. That is not how the law works either. If a national government agency shows up and issues an order for their server data and that data isn’t protected properly by the host well then you are exposed. The people acting like they know something more because you decided to pay for Sync or because you want to use Windows or Google literally no zero fucks about privacy and data.

            • DrM@feddit.de
              1·
              2 years ago

              No, thats exactly it. When you post something on reddit, Google collects your browser information for your “unique identifying number” by having scripts implemented into Reddits site. Google then knows, that u/Prethoryn is your account and they can then collect the data from your reddit account and link it to you.

              But your Lemmy instance (so far) does not do that. You post something here and google sees that some “Prethoryn@lemmy.world” guy wrote something, but their data-collecting can’t link it to your unique identifying number, because lemmy.world does not collect that information from you. And of course, your comment is federated to thousands of other instances. But they also can’t sell more information than what is available when you look at Google. If lemmy.world decides to implement tracking, this of course changes. But for now, your comment is not linked to you and it’s definitely a step up in privacy (regarding companies) than before.

              The other aspect of privacy, personal privacy, is of course not so good on the fediverse and that’s where your points make valid sense. If you want to delete your comments because your friends discovered your secret account, it’s basically impossible because of the federation.

          • Jeanschyso@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 years ago

            Well technically I am using a Google pixel phone to access Lemmy through an app that I downloaded from their store, using the same phone and ISP that I use to chat with my mother on Facebook Messenger, shop on Marketplace, order on Amazon and check my mails. I also tried the connect-your-phone thing to read my SMS on the computer, so Microsoft also got in.

            Everyone knows everything I do at this point.

            • DrM@feddit.de
              1·
              2 years ago

              I don’t know where you live but in most of the world it would be illegal for them to spy on what you do in the apps. Yes, Google knows that you use Lemmy and also Facebook knows that. But they are not allowed to spy on what you do inside those apps and can’t link your account to your phone if you don’t use an app that sells this data (aka Sync)

  • 1984@lemmy.today
    23·
    2 years ago

    Google “Only spy the web” is highly inaccurate…they are everywhere. In every website, in your android phone, in your YouTube, in your Google drive, in your email, in your Google maps…

    Anyways… I will calm down now. :)

      • 1984@lemmy.today
        4·
        2 years ago

        They are even part of paying for the massive underwater cables between continents that all internet traffic runs through.

        They took everything over.

        It’s the most extensive surveillance network in the world.

          • SolarMech@slrpnk.netEnglish
            2·
            2 years ago

            Except that instead of an authoritarian government using it to totally control the learned populace, they are showing you ads.

            We’ve still got a way to go before 1984. If it did happen, you wouldn’t be able to discuss it.

    • nexussapphire@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 years ago

      It’s cute, people think their android os isn’t collecting an embarrassing amount of data. Even if you turn everything off but cellular, it still phones home with cellular tower triangulation, app usage, call history, general web activity, weather the phone thinks your walking driving or riding a Bike, device diagnostics, etc.

        • nexussapphire@lemm.ee
          1·
          2 years ago

          Same, I wish there was a better options. I’m on android right now but when it comes time to upgrade I always try to choose the lesser evil and it’s hard.

      • CCatMan@lemmy.one
        1·
        2 years ago

        I wish there was a paid google of no spying… I mean what does google one get me, but the ability for google to spy on more or my data?

        • deejay4am@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          Everyone thinks about the spying as relating to themselves, the individual.

          Google doesn’t give a shit about you. Google gives a shit about us. Collectively. They can monitor the collective soul of the world. When people are busy, when they’re not paying attention, when they’re mad, who, and for how long; how they react to certain subjects…how to get them to listen about certain subjects, how to bring them around to certain subjects, how to keep them disagreeing with other viewpoints, etc.

          They’re literally developed “a remote control for the flock” and everyone’s out here like “why do I care if Google see my save games I have 500 hours in CoD so wut”

      • z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml
        3·
        2 years ago

        Hence GrapheneOS sandboxing the Play Store. It is ironic that Google is the only phone manufacturer that allows for installing a different OS. But I suppose the fact that GrapheneOS has pushed security updates that have made it into stock Android and the fact that most users won’t bother installing an alternative OS on their pixel phones is why they allow such shenanigans.

      • rotmulaaginskyrim@programming.dev
        0·
        2 years ago

        For me, it is useful. At the very least, such a blatant display of tracking information means people will know about it and disable it if necessary.

        • AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml
          1·
          2 years ago

          It should be an opt in feature, but it has helped me a couple times. I got beat up pretty bad after leaving a bar and couldn’t remember anything about the night, was able to retrace my steps from the google stuff.

  • z0ds3c@lemm.ee
    131·
    2 years ago

    All you can really do is make the spying as difficult as possible. That’s really all we can do 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

    • voluble@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 years ago

      True. And unfortunately certain privacy measures can make it easier to digitally fingerprint you as a user. Also my mind is still blown since I learned about canvas fingerprinting. EFF.org describes it as follows:

      Canvas fingerprinting is invisible to the user. A tracker can create a “canvas” in your browser, and generate a complicated collage of shapes, colors, and text using JavaScript. Then, with the resulting collage, the tracker extracts data about exactly how each pixel on the canvas is rendered. Many variables will affect the final result. These include your operating system, graphics card, firmware version, graphics driver version, and installed fonts.

      These settings are different from one computer to the next. But they tend to be consistent enough on a single machine to clearly identify a user.