• eldrichhydralisk@lemmy.sdf.org
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    2 years ago

    I actually use M365 and OneDrive. I still get periodic pushes to use these services on Windows 11. The upsell pressure from my OS is getting really bad.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    2 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    For a certain kind of computer buyer, the first thing you always did with a new laptop or desktop from a company like Dell, HP, Acer, or Asus wasn’t to open the box and start using it.

    Computer manufacturers often distributed buggy, pointless, or redundant third-party software (“bloatware” or “crapware”) to help subsidize the cost of the hardware.

    This might pass some savings on to the user, but once they owned their computer, that software mainly existed to consume disk space and RAM, something that cheaper PCs could rarely afford to spare.

    Computer manufacturers also installed all kinds of additional support software, registration screens, and other things that generally extended the setup process and junked up your Start menu and desktop.

    The “out-of-box experience” (OOBE, in Microsoft parlance) for Windows 7 walked users through the process of creating a local user account, naming their computer, entering a product key, creating a “Homegroup” (a since-discontinued local file and media sharing mechanism), and determining how Windows Update worked.

    Due to the Microsoft Store, you’ll find several third-party apps taking up a ton of space in your Start menu by default, even if they aren’t technically downloaded and installed until you run them for the first time.


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  • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org
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    2 years ago

    The only clean install is with Enterprise edition and after using dism to remove everything and then sysprep and never actually attach your Microsoft account to the os.

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    2 years ago

    The only thing holding me back from diving headlong into Linux is gaming support. I’ve been a windows user since W98. XP was the shit, 7 was rock solid, ten was pretty good, but it seems like Microsoft is dead set on speedrunning enshittification with 11.

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      2 years ago

      Gaming support on Linux is the best it has ever been. Other than select games, nearly everything works now. It’s mostly competitive multiplayer games that don’t work because it’s the kernel anticheat that is the issue. Notably, Call of Duty and Destiny 2 don’t work. Halo does 100% work now, which is awesome. But if you mostly play single player games, you are probably totally fine.

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      2 years ago

      True. Gaming is extremely awesome on Linux compared to a few years ago right now, though. Anti-cheat holding you back?

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        2 years ago

        They don’t need any reasons at all anymore. Microsoft won the PC wars a long time ago and has been able to coast ever since. People will upgrade because Windows is the only thing supporting whatever apps they use in the workplace, because Macs are too expensive, and because Microsoft (for all its flaws) still cares about backwards compatibility.

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          2 years ago

          Just because a new Windows version is available doesn’t mean that Windows users will upgrade. My work computer is Windows, but I have still not touched Windows 11 at all to this day. But if the latest Windows is far better than the other available versions, then users and enterprises will likely want to upgrade.

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            2 years ago

            Enterprises will have to upgrade once security support for 10 is dropped. Microsoft can even charge them extra to extend that maintenance window if they wanna squeeze more life out of the OS but it’s so crazy expensive that Microsoft clearly has the upper hand here.

            Through their OEM deals, you’ll have a hard time finding a new computer with anything other than 11, and software developers can only support so many versions of Windows so they’ll have to drop older releases to be sure they can keep up with all those new computers people are forced to buy.

            No one wanted to upgrade to 10 either, yet here we are. Microsoft knows exactly what they’re doing and have no qualms about how insidious it all is.