or obvious “lives will be lost” support ends.

It’s funny (not funny!) that you think they care about lives being lost.

The cruelty IS the point.

Breaking news hahaha

not all heroes wear capes!!!

How would one implement these filters but EXCLUDE certain things … like say … filter anything with “MAGA” but allow it if there’s also mention of “Leopards” is still allowed? :)

I hear ya. But Vance is ineffective with no real charm. He won’t be able to rally the rubes like Trump does. I also don’t think Vance is nearly as slimy as Trump. But that isn’t credit to Vance, it’s an indictment of Trump. HE is still worse than we can possibly imagine. Vance really did at least grow up poor and then serve in the military and THEN shit all over them; but he knows. Trump has no idea and more ego and delusions of superiority than imaginable.

I could be wrong, reasonable people can disagree. Love and respect!

One can’t find the button to push. The other pushes every single fucking button they can find.

Or less if nature takes her course.

Hmmm perhaps I wasn’t totally clear. I have never claimed Kamala ran a great campaign. Or that her and the Dems did a great job engaging a very vocal part of the party concerned with what’s happening in Gaza or the US’s policy in Gaza.

I have however been attempting to consistently argue that 1) they had a LOT of other constituencies to court so it was never as simple as “Gaza policy bad = lost election; Gaza policy good = win election”, 2) the general election protest vote (or abstention) is going to find out here fairly soon if their protest was worth it once Trump takes office and 3) That so far, Trumps rhetoric SINCE THE ELECTION, and his appointment choices are not giving great indications that he intends to do anything to stop the dying of innocents.

But we might just find out that the most recent developments concerning a cease fire agreement preempts us all Finding Out just what Trump might do in Gaza.

Not an apples to apples comparison of primary elections and general election. Regardless that isn’t an argument against my point that an 11% undecided vote is hardly a “fairly significant public statement”. The point you’re addressing is if I said 11% hardly made a difference. Which I didn’t.

Sure I wish we had those votes, though I don’t think “the gaza protest vote” would have won the election for Kamala if it went the other way. Way too many other reasons she lost.

I also hope you don’t find yourself wishing you had those votes go to Kamala as well. Which is to say, I hope you don’t realize the leopard has eaten your face, because that would mean the incoming administration actually enacting policy that moves the needle in the direction of less violence in Gaza.

We’ll both find out the answer in the coming months if it was really worth it or not.

I don’t agree that 11% undecided in the primary is a “fairly significant public statement”, I mean, literally 11% is like, you know, small. Nor does a lack of policy change during the election cycle (which has a lot more factors than just Gaza to consider) immediately mean Kamala wouldn’t be open to changing tactics post election. But we’ll never know because, like I said, Trump won and now we get to find out if voting for him was net good or net bad for the Gaza cause.

But I can appreciate the emotional investment you have in “both sides-ing” this and ignoring the material differences between a narcissist that is already talking about lifting arms restrictions to Israel and Kamala.

Weather you agree with me or not is immaterial. On the issue of both parties being the same, you’re wrong. See how easy that is to say and it means nothing to an actual debate?

-Cheers

I didn’t ask which has the different policy now (ignoring my opinion about the truth of your assertion) but which is most likely to be responsive to public opinion; and I’d add, which one actually cares about the plight of others and which is an unofficially diagnosed narcissist.

But I’m fairly certain we won’t agree and sadly we’ll never know what Kamala coulda/woulda done. But with trump we’re about to Find Out. I hope we’re both wrong about him.

Exactly.

And the real irony is that of the two candidates, which one is most likely to respond to post-election pressure to adjust the policies?

Sure sure sure, Trump can be influenced by money and flattery, but the people that are going to pay and flatter him are not exactly the ones arguing to save the lives of innocent civilians.

So the irony remains, of the two candidates to choose from, the people complaining about what is happening in Gaza picked the one least likely to do anything helpful once elected (“do” as opposed to what they said to get elected).

at least 35 syllables long and you’ll forget what your reading halfway through the word.

Well, um … I … errrrr, hear me out. Trump doesn’t have to do ANYTHING he doesn’t want to just because someone gave him money. He doesn’t even really have to do anything because he wants money from anyone. He has no political career to protect and he has plenty of people who want to give him money willingly for practically nothing, just to be near him.

Now that last part is important because I’m not saying money won’t influence his decisions; only that the operating theory isn’t “I paid you now I own you!” it’s “I’ll give you more money if you do what I want.” And heck they don’t even have to give him money, they just have to flatter him and tell him he’s a big boy now!

So he’s really not indebted to anyone. What will they do? take the money back? Threaten him with what?

Blackmail / kompromat is an entirely different conversation, but let’s also be clear, “47 took money to do this thing” is not blackmail that will work. Nor would be the release of the pee pee tapes if they exist. At this point I’m really not sure what he actually could be blackmailed with other than the literal smoking gun that is big enough to get him impeached by a republican congress and thrown in jail. And I don’t know if that smoking gun exists.

tl;dr he’s worse than a lame duck because previous lame ducks cared about their legacy, their party, and their country. He cares about nothing but his own personal gain. He can’t be bought, be he sure as hell can be sold.

It was a risk not adding /s especially since I tried really hard to not be too absurd as to be obvious. I will take your unease as a compliment :)

A common misconception. Take the so called “light bulb” for instance. People think they emit light. They do not. They ingest darkness. They are dark suckers. They pull in all the darkness around them, but objects get in the way, and that’s why there are shadows. And when they’re full, they stop working. That’s why they have a brown spot when they stop working, they are full of dark.

Don’t fall for the light emitting conspiracy. LONG LIVE THE DARK SUCKERS!!!

Yup. I had a rental condo in Vegas I sold after 20 years because I read the writing on the wall. And Vegas is doing an amazing job of preparing for water issues.

not just any rando city, literally Austin https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/2/27/a-75-billion-boondoggle-advances-in-austin

It is not possible to explain the horribleness that is Austin road planning and the complete and utter lack of available transit. Exhibit 1 https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/2/27/a-75-billion-boondoggle-advances-in-austin

Just consider what it must mean for an average Californian to say traffic is bad. These aren’t people coming from rural Montana complaining about city traffic.