From an outsiders perspective, element has never worked for me and never been stable enough to get anywhere close to discord. Joining servers is buggy AF and Element X is severely hobbied on mobile.

I’ve been refusing to use discord for about 6-8 months and am often invites to join various discords by IRL friends and online communities. I wish Matrix / Element was a viable alternative but I’ve never been able to get it working for anythung other than DMs, and I’m already happy with Signal for that honestly.

As a non developer I want to be sensitive to the amount of work involves, and the number of cooks in the kitchen, but the fact that we don’t have a FOSS- federated slack / discord killer app is leaving so much interaction on the table.

I’ve heard of Revolt but it doesn’t seem to be there with encryption

That’s great news! I guess i should switch to nightly

This type of thing (+ the AI embedded shenanigans) is what sent me over to Obsidian for personal use.

Still use Notion a bit for work but I’ve peeled way back on it.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think we are still waiting for true tab process separation.

I love IronFox and use it alongside Vanadium. When Fission is confirmed I will bump IronFox back up to most browsing - vastly prefer Gecko browsers as a user but concerned about tab isolation and tracking.

iIRC IronFox has Fission already but there was a dangling question regarding an inability to still isolate processes.

This isn’t on the IronFox devs either - it really needs to be fixed upstream by Mozilla

We desperately need a stable implementation of fission / true tab separation on android.

Just piling on to say that I have been unable to join any Matrix servers despite having set up two accounts successfully.

And why are there no usable android clients for spaces?

Just bought a 9 for Graphene. Up and running - works like a charm. Devs are not announcing end of the line for Graphene development- they are making daily updates on their way to bringing out Android 16. At this point I’d grab a 9 rather than wait for the 10. Get yourself up and running before Google tries to lock us out of more apps - right now everything I need runs fine without any play services whatsoever. The OS is solid, Vanadium is really good - I could go on and on. If you are onboard and interested in the project its 100% worth it from where I sit.

Nothing is ever perfectly future proof

I went with the 9 ultimately - and recently - and am very happy so far. I was prepared for a buggy or difficult experience but grapheme is really smooth in my experience so far.

After months of trying to degoogle a Samsung running stock OS, finally having control and proper security is a relief.

I also went with the 256gb and would recommend spending on storage whatever model you go with. Personally i don’t see much in the 9;pro that i don’t already have in the 9.

Signal, Lemmy (Voyager), Mastodon, PipePipe etc all running smoothly.

Learning that many apps you can get on Aurora will work, but most apparently rely on Google Play services to send notifications. So it’s annoying to not receive those or need to set up workarounds, but honestly think about that. The app is telling google every single item it wants to notify you and relying on google to deliver it. That really sucks as a strategy.

Thankfully Signal has its own way of delivering notifications

Many appa that seem to “need” Google Play Services to run will work without it, especially with Exploit Compatibility turned on in that specific app settings. Even worked for banking for me, no play services needed in that profile etc.

LibreOffice has been working “fine” for my DeGoogled personal life.

Work is heavily Googled still (and not entirely up to me), but I’ve practiced a hard barrier between work tech and personal tech for years now. In case I can sway any colleagues: Anybody feeling like any of these alternatives would be ready for a small or larger team to jump over to that routinely collaborates on spreadsheets, documents and slides?