I think Dave Chapelle would not consider himself transphobic and as far as I know has never opposed transgender rights.
His could be considered offensive when it comes to transgender people but they aren’t an attack any more than his other jokes were an attack on other groups.
His reaction to the pushback feels like more of an ego thing than making any kind of stand on the topic.
He literally called himself a TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminist) in one of his standups. It literally means he doesn’t think that Trans people should have equal rights as everyone else.
Yeah, and that didn’t age well. It’s also a little fucking different considering he’s Black. He’s NOT trans, that’s just an even SMALLER minority group he’s shitting on. How are you so unable to reason about that, what’s wrong with you?
The genius of one of his recent acts is the trolling he did. He basically made a joke about how fuckable children are and a joke about trans people in the same act, just to see what the media ran with.
I didn’t appreciate how he used Daphne as a shield against criticism, but his unsaid point was salient to me.
The funniest part of Chappelle’s whole defense on his trans jokes is that he had one trans friend, which is the same thing as defending racist jokes by saying you have a black friend. The fact that Dave did not realize that is unintentional comedy gold.
Not only did he employ “I have a black friend, so I am not racist” tactic for this, but he took it further. He claimed her suicide was due to the amount of harassment that she got for being friend’s with him, and standing up for him on social media.
However, people looked through her entire social media presence, which was out there for anyone to see. She got very, very, little harassment because of Chappelle. Reading through her posts though, it became clear why she did, actually, do it though. She was in the process of fighting a legal battle for custody rights of her child. She said many times that if she were to completely lose custody she would kill herself. Guess what ruling she received shortly before her suicide? Complete loss of custody.
Also, Chappelle claimed she was, or was one of, his best friends. However he didn’t go to the viewing, or the funeral, or help assist her family with costs, or anything substantial. He sent a card.
Weakest centrist take I’ve seen yet, are all of your opinions this lukewarm? He’s got several Netflix specials totaling hours of anti-trans content, where he pins the death of a trans friend (who he exploited the fuck out of, btw) on trans people themselves, leading to months of Dave-generated hate for us.
And that’s not even getting to how he talks about trans people in the little shows he does that aren’t recorded. The slurs start to fly.
I agree the death of the trans friend was exploitative, I don’t really know what he said on the road. My opinion on the netflix content was that it wasn’t any more offensive than any takes I’ve heard on any other groups from other comedians.
But I may be wrong, it’s been a while since I saw the specials and I’m going off memory. I’m white straight cis and male so I may not always see past my privilege.
Anyway it was just my point of view. If you feel it’s wrong you can just explain why you think so. It wasn’t my intent to offend you.
You’re not wrong. This beef started prior to the Netflix specials. The special was timed out such that Dave appeared to be punching first for those unaware. When what he was really doing was addressing some LGBTQ people coming to his shows and laughing when he made fun of others. But going to social media to complain about jokes towards them. Trans people in particular.
And I’ll get down voted for saying all that. But I don’t care. I’m not defending him. But people on social media take anything less than 100% agreement towards their side as being against them.
Dave for sure could have been less of a dick to trans people in particular during the specials. But people who can’t make fun of themselves don’t belong at comedy shows. And sadly a lot of trans people in particular already struggle with self acceptance. It was a big can of worms to open.
But going on social media to bitch at him wasn’t a smart move. Comedians love ripping back at hecklers. And the response after the special ironically proved one of his points around these “fans” being hypocrites for laughing at his jokes about other types of minorities but not themselves.
What it really comes down to is that he’s conservative in the “I established my worldview as a child and now it’s calcified” sort of way. He wasn’t exactly progressive even back then… He mostly just made fun of stereotypes in a fresh way
I don’t think he’s a hateful person or anything, I just think someone has encouraged him to share dated beliefs that he has no business talking about.
He was never a comedian with a real message, but maybe he always wished he was
It has been pretty amazing watching the incredible hate he started getting from that special. It’s like the Maga hate but from the left and, I guess he did actually say some mean things instead of doing absolutely nothing, so there’s that.
I think Dave Chapelle would not consider himself transphobic and as far as I know has never opposed transgender rights.
His could be considered offensive when it comes to transgender people but they aren’t an attack any more than his other jokes were an attack on other groups.
His reaction to the pushback feels like more of an ego thing than making any kind of stand on the topic.
He literally called himself a TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminist) in one of his standups. It literally means he doesn’t think that Trans people should have equal rights as everyone else.
I remember him saying he was a TERF being the punchline?
Idk it’s been a while, I could be wrong.
He also played a blind klansman. It’s comedy, jesus
Yeah, and that didn’t age well. It’s also a little fucking different considering he’s Black. He’s NOT trans, that’s just an even SMALLER minority group he’s shitting on. How are you so unable to reason about that, what’s wrong with you?
Didn’t age well? Lol, ok. I have a feeling you’ve never watched any Dave Chappelle ever. But you do you.
Literally wore a KKK outfit and shouted the words “I hate n*****s” on his show, but nobody thinks he’s a white supremacist.
But he says “I’m on team terf” and everyone believes him.
And in doing so critics ironically proved one of his points. Which did and continues to fly over a lot of people’s heads.
The genius of one of his recent acts is the trolling he did. He basically made a joke about how fuckable children are and a joke about trans people in the same act, just to see what the media ran with.
I didn’t appreciate how he used Daphne as a shield against criticism, but his unsaid point was salient to me.
The funniest part of Chappelle’s whole defense on his trans jokes is that he had one trans friend, which is the same thing as defending racist jokes by saying you have a black friend. The fact that Dave did not realize that is unintentional comedy gold.
Not only did he employ “I have a black friend, so I am not racist” tactic for this, but he took it further. He claimed her suicide was due to the amount of harassment that she got for being friend’s with him, and standing up for him on social media.
However, people looked through her entire social media presence, which was out there for anyone to see. She got very, very, little harassment because of Chappelle. Reading through her posts though, it became clear why she did, actually, do it though. She was in the process of fighting a legal battle for custody rights of her child. She said many times that if she were to completely lose custody she would kill herself. Guess what ruling she received shortly before her suicide? Complete loss of custody.
Also, Chappelle claimed she was, or was one of, his best friends. However he didn’t go to the viewing, or the funeral, or help assist her family with costs, or anything substantial. He sent a card.
JK Rowling doesn’t consider herself transphobic either. Bigots don’t consider themselves bigots.
Weakest centrist take I’ve seen yet, are all of your opinions this lukewarm? He’s got several Netflix specials totaling hours of anti-trans content, where he pins the death of a trans friend (who he exploited the fuck out of, btw) on trans people themselves, leading to months of Dave-generated hate for us.
And that’s not even getting to how he talks about trans people in the little shows he does that aren’t recorded. The slurs start to fly.
Anyways, get fucked
I agree the death of the trans friend was exploitative, I don’t really know what he said on the road. My opinion on the netflix content was that it wasn’t any more offensive than any takes I’ve heard on any other groups from other comedians.
But I may be wrong, it’s been a while since I saw the specials and I’m going off memory. I’m white straight cis and male so I may not always see past my privilege.
Anyway it was just my point of view. If you feel it’s wrong you can just explain why you think so. It wasn’t my intent to offend you.
You’re not wrong. This beef started prior to the Netflix specials. The special was timed out such that Dave appeared to be punching first for those unaware. When what he was really doing was addressing some LGBTQ people coming to his shows and laughing when he made fun of others. But going to social media to complain about jokes towards them. Trans people in particular.
And I’ll get down voted for saying all that. But I don’t care. I’m not defending him. But people on social media take anything less than 100% agreement towards their side as being against them.
Dave for sure could have been less of a dick to trans people in particular during the specials. But people who can’t make fun of themselves don’t belong at comedy shows. And sadly a lot of trans people in particular already struggle with self acceptance. It was a big can of worms to open.
But going on social media to bitch at him wasn’t a smart move. Comedians love ripping back at hecklers. And the response after the special ironically proved one of his points around these “fans” being hypocrites for laughing at his jokes about other types of minorities but not themselves.
What it really comes down to is that he’s conservative in the “I established my worldview as a child and now it’s calcified” sort of way. He wasn’t exactly progressive even back then… He mostly just made fun of stereotypes in a fresh way
I don’t think he’s a hateful person or anything, I just think someone has encouraged him to share dated beliefs that he has no business talking about.
He was never a comedian with a real message, but maybe he always wished he was
An artist with a message is a propagandist
It has been pretty amazing watching the incredible hate he started getting from that special. It’s like the Maga hate but from the left and, I guess he did actually say some mean things instead of doing absolutely nothing, so there’s that.