Of course, that’s to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded.

Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)

Live laugh love Lemmy though :)

  • pqdinfo@lemmy.world
    882·
    2 years ago

    I’m a Reddit migrant, so I’ve been pleasantly surprised about how positive everyone is in here. I don’t doubt we’ve gotten more Reddity as awful, terrible, jackwagons like me have joined (uhm. giggle) but you guys still have an atmosphere that’s 100x better than Reddit. My only complaint are the minor details about missing features etc that I know will be resolved in time.

    So… I guess that didn’t answer your question directly, but indirectly while it may have gotten more Reddity, it’s still a long way away from being Reddit. I hope that continues.

      • StijnVVL@lemmy.world
        6·
        2 years ago

        I had the impression reddit was overall less toxic compared to other social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter. I always thought that it was the “community” aspect of reddit responsible for this. People want to belong to a community and are generally less toxic towards fellow community members.

        Maybe I was lucky in my community selection?

        That said, I’m happy to be here instead of reddit… It certainly feels a lot more welcoming!

        • Wolf Link 🐺@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 years ago

          Maybe I was lucky in my community selection?

          It absolutely depends on the communities in question. I’ve been an active member of the ‘Breath of the Wild’ sub for years and even tho there was of course still the occasional troll / bot, the sub as a whole was positively wholesome. At the same time I occasionally posted in a Pokémon-related sub of similar size, and even simple, innocent questions were mass-downvoted, insults thrown left and right for the most basic and irrelevant reasons, and they had so many scammers that they needed to keep a list of “trustworthy users” for online trades.

          I will not directly link examples to avoid giving reddit free traffic, but one particularily striking example were posts made by people who didn’t like the games in question:

          • “I don’t really like BotW”

          Topmost answer: “That’s okay. Keep in mind that BotW is very different from former Zelda games and the new formula isn’t everone’s cup of tea. If it is [XYZ] that bothers you, there are these in-game solutions to make your life easier: (listed those things) …and if you are looking for a more Zelda-esque experience, there are these games: (list with alternatives and explanations about how they’re different plus the pros and cons of those games)”

          • “I don’t really like Pokémon Sword/Shield”

          Topmost answer: “Get fucked”

          PS: Sadly that sub went down the drain in the meantime as the “wholesome” people seem to have left and what remains of the former community are the trolls, bots and jerks. It honestly saddens me a bit, but at the same time I’m glad that I jumped ship before it happened.

          • HardlightCereal@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            2 years ago

            Zelda is a game where you help others through your courage and the kindness in your heart and save the world. Pokemon is a game where you command a small army of nonsentient creatures to fight and be injured for you so you can call yourself the best. Of course one of those games is going to have a more toxic community.

            • Wolf Link 🐺@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              2 years ago

              You know, that’s actually a fair point. Especially since one of them also heavily relies on online competitions against the rest of the world, where you need to be as aggressive and brutal as possible to even survive the first few rounds. That is bound to promote and reward a specific mindset over time …

              • HardlightCereal@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 years ago

                It’s the same reason why the community for Undertale, the game where the moral is that children who are beaten shouldn’t hit back, is full of pedos

        • pqdinfo@lemmy.world
          3·
          2 years ago

          Maybe I was lucky in my community selection?

          Probably, but I’d also agree anyway that it was generally less toxic than the major social media platforms. But I’d also say Lemmy/Kbin seems substantially less toxic than even Reddit.

      • Alivrah@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 years ago

        Definitely way less toxic. Even though I’m still mostly a lurker, I’m at ease to stop and make comments without feeling that usual Reddit pressure.

    • HollowNotion@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 years ago

      Agreed. Also a Reddit migrant, and I feel like even if it’s changed here since our mini exodus (which I believe), I’m still finding it much more pleasant than Reddit.

    • kakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      81·
      2 years ago

      This seems like such a (relatively) simple fix, I’m surprised it hasn’t been implemented yet. I’m almost tempted to try writing a PR of my own at this point.

    • goddamnpipes@lemmy.world
      7·
      2 years ago

      You may already be comfortable with another app or the web version of Lemmy, but I recommend ‘Connect for Lemmy’ if you’re looking for instance blocking. It allows you to block instances as a user.

        • goddamnpipes@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 years ago

          Ah, you’re right, Connect is just for Android. Though I do remember hearing of an iOS Lemmy app that could block instances at a user level, but I’m sorry to say I don’t remember the name.

          That being said, I fully agree with you on relying on instance admins to defederate / block instances. I prefer to have the agency to choose for myself what gets blocked / not blocked. Though I can’t complain about my instance’s decisions so far, thankfully.

          I hope you find something that works for you.

    • chandz05@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      Connect and I believe Thunder can block entire instances as well as specific communities and users

    • SanguinePar@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      I’ve tried not to block instances (or communities for that matter), because you never know what good communities may appear there at a later date. Instead I generally stick to viewing only my subscribed communities, while occasionally venturing out into Everything to see if there’s anything good I’ve missed.

      I guess it’s like using Reddit front page vs using /r/all. I never liked /r/all, so doing it this way is much closer to my Reddit experience.

      I guess the good thing is we can all tailor our experiences as we prefer :-)

  • thorbot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    59·
    2 years ago

    This isn’t a Reddit problem, it’s a human problem. The more people who join, the more trolls, edge lords, and just plain assholes will show their ugly heads. Instead of lamenting the “Reddit like” nature and jumping ship, I’d say just work on tailoring your experience. Stop browsing All, subscribe to the communities you enjoy, and block or ignore the instances and people you don’t want to see. We have the ability to tailor this experience to our liking, it just takes a bit of effort. And above all, just keep being positive and encouraging to others and that will spread around.

    • atlasraven31@lemm.ee
      33·
      2 years ago

      How dare they! Everyone must arrive completely free of bias and judgement, nice, and open-minded.

  • kakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    224·
    2 years ago

    Honestly, yeah. I’ve been pretty disappointed in general, to be honest. Once you take away all the bot-spam, zero-effort memes, and doomerism, there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.

    Which is unfortunate, because I love the concept of Lemmy, and I can’t go back to Reddit. I’m still holding out hope, though.

    • WiseMoth@lemmy.world
      142·
      2 years ago

      I have to agree. Especially with that last one. The amount of cynical and/or pessimistic people on here making up a strong vocal (hopefully) minority is really disappointing

    • scytale@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      2 years ago

      I set aside some time to really browse communities and subscribe to the ones I’m interested in. My Home feed is pretty good now and isn’t just filled with memes and porn. Sure, there aren’t as much comments as reddit, but it also makes discussions more meaningful because my comments are not instantly buried in low-effort jokes and puns. I just browse All from time to time to see what else is out there and maybe discover some new communities. It also helps to have accounts on different instances because the Local feed varies too.

      • Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        4·
        2 years ago

        My technique is browse All then just block the communities that I’m not interested in, that way I won’t miss any new community that sprouts up.

    • hoodatninja@kbin.social
      6·
      2 years ago

      there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.

      I mean how many posts/threads do you really need a day? I read 10-15 or so. That’s plenty

      • ramble81@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        2 years ago

        10-15? That’s childs play. I honestly read probably an order of magnitude more than that.

        • hoodatninja@kbin.social
          1·
          2 years ago

          I mean we all have our preferences, but I personally don’t want to go back to my old habit of spending 2-3 hours a day on reddit and lying to myself about why I did it. I try to cap it at an hour on here a day at most.

      • kakes@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        2 years ago

        In my current subscribed feed, I’m lucky to get 10-15 posts total in a week, and even on All I don’t see nearly 10-15 threads I’m actually interested in in a week.

        I realize a large part of this could be that I need to subscribe to more communities, but I haven’t seen any more that I’m into yet.

        • hoodatninja@kbin.social
          2·
          2 years ago

          Interesting! I actually have not subscribed to a ton of stuff yet, but I feel like I’m seeing more than enough per day. The actual comments/threads aren’t super populated necessarily, but frankly, I think that’s a good thing. It’s keeping me from doom scrolling and I’m not getting bogged down in arguments like I used to on Reddit.

    • Mane25@feddit.ukEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      I’m not getting any of that stuff because I don’t subscribe to communities that allow that stuff.

      I’ve just taken a look at the “all” tab for the first time and I agree it’s horrendous - but it was like that on Reddit as well, I think the solution is to only subscribe to what you’re interested in.

      • kakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Yeah, definitely. On Reddit I used to browse both Subscribed and All (with lots of filters). I agree that it was rough there too, but unfortunately I just haven’t found enough active communities here to subscribe to.

        Either way, I’m here for the long haul, and I’m sure it’ll get better over time.

  • SanguinePar@lemmy.world
    182·
    2 years ago

    Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)

    Just on that particular point, part of the problem is the range of quite-to-extremely hostile comments towards the dev.

    Those of us who’ve used Sync for years know (as well can be known, at least) that the guy is solid and trustworthy - and the way some people have been talking about him and his motives is both unfair and inaccurate. It’s natural that there’s going to be pushback on that sort of thing.

    Which isn’t to say that the prices can’t be queried or criticised of course, I was slightly surprised myself initially (although given how much I’ve used Sync over the years for very little outlay, it doesn’t bother me as much).

    But when it goes beyond questioning the prices, and moves into unfounded criticism of his character and integrity, that’s too much IMO.

  • lynny@lemmy.world
    14·
    2 years ago

    Yes. Politically militant people are becoming more common. This time last month people seemed to have been much more agreeable even if they didn’t agree with you.

  • keegomatic@kbin.social
    13·
    2 years ago

    In my experience, this has always been a problem after a forum grows beyond a certain size. It’s not really a Reddit-exclusive thing. It’s also not related to karma/reputation-tracking, IMO.

    Early adopters of a small, somewhat empty community are people who want to grow the community and encourage posting. Discussion is bright and careful in certain ways because it’s usually just a few commenters interacting with each other who all want the same thing.

    Once a community grows big enough to support lurkers and a variety of topics, with multifaceted discussion happening naturally, you have a familiar effect happen: you know how people are disproportionately more likely to review a product or business if they had a negative experience than a positive one? Well, in a similar way, when there’s enough content to lurk (and not be one of the early enthusiasts who post in spite of a lack of content, as a duty to help the community grow), then lurkers are more likely to come out of the woodwork and join a discussion when they see something they disagree with or feel strongly about.

    Honestly, though, it has a few silver linings. I grew up learning a lot from arguments online in various places. Sometimes they are handled well and sometimes they are handled poorly by the participants. Learn from both. It’s great to see two sides of an issue, even a petty one. It can teach you a ton about how to behave well, how to actually persuade someone on a topic, and how to avoid conflict in the first place. It can also teach you about a controversial topic you knew little about, and spark your curiosity to learn more (if only to refute something with citations) and sometimes change your opinion altogether.

    The healthy/toxic dichotomy starts in your own mind. You can’t control others, but you can control yourself. So find those little positive nuggets where you can.

    • Hextic@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 years ago

      Us old greybeards remember this as “Eternal September”,.when AOL users were let off the leash.

      Definitelynot a Reddit problem this is humanity at its core.

      • foggy@lemmy.world
        14·
        2 years ago

        This is Barbara Striesand.

        As older lemmy users try to reject the reddit influence, it will become the modus operandi.

        Ever raised a kid? 😁

    • Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1·
      2 years ago

      Well said, I do hate to see discord between users, but what is a forum if everyone has one mind and there’s no discussion to be had. Civility is key to open people’s minds to your own view. And yours to theirs.

  • Meloku@lemmy.world
    175·
    2 years ago

    Well, have you seen FOSS fans biting everyone’s asses over saying user experience is important and labor should be paid? Yeah, people getting their preferences called out and ridiculed usually causes that. It’s like getting into a small subreddit and stirring shit by saying that their collective opinion is wrong.

    Before the great Reddit exodus, Lemmy was just an echo chamber for a small subset of like-minded people. Now you get Reddit Lite. Enjoy it!!

    (This comment, brought to you by Sync Ultra. [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] )

  • foggy@lemmy.world
    166·
    2 years ago

    There’s a lot of people saying

    “Can we not do that reddit thing here?”

    Like it or hate it, reddit is a monolithic cultural icon. The things you think are “reddit” things are part of one of the most popular internet cultures of all time.

    Have you not heard of Barbara Streisand? As reddit fractures, it’s culture will bleed into every corner of the web their users occupy.

    You will not contain a culture with your opinions or words. Your options are:

    Accept it. Bite your tongue. Downvote. Don’t engage.

    Or

    Be miserable.

    For the love of God, stop complaining about it and trying to control it. Barbra Streisand.

    • lanadelgay@lemmynsfw.comOPEnglish
      85·
      2 years ago

      This is sad and defeatist

      Sure people will do people things but we have a chance to make communities that don’t put up with that kind of bullshit, and we should

  • sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world
    8·
    2 years ago

    You take any topic, with passionate fans and they’ll defend it. A lot of it probably from the backlash was the first thing they saw.

    I’ll keep it real, I paid for Sync because of the decade history with that app and plan on doing the same (a post linked a way to do it) with the instance I’m in. I see me being on Lemmy a lot and looking forward to keeping the positive vibes going.

    • lanadelgay@lemmynsfw.comOPEnglish
      59·
      2 years ago

      See but at least some of that is going to make it back to an instance host and help keep servers going, and I think that’s the biggest gripe myself and a lot of people have with the sync iaps and advertising

      • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        61·
        2 years ago

        Why do you think it’s an either/or? It isn’t at all.

        Besides, sync was always monetized, and everyone that was asking/begging Dawson to migrate the app knew that. The only people surprised are people that didn’t use it to begin with, and aren’t going to use it now.

        Were you not a reddit user, or a third party app user? Like, most of the reddit apps were Monetized in some way. Apollo, the app that was the tipping point for the reddit rage was heavily monetized, and people were begging Christian to port it over.

        The whole thing is crazy. If a given person wants to use it and pay for it, that’s their business. Dawson did nothing bad by porting the app, or monetizing it from the beginning. How many great apps have fucked up by not monetizing from the beginning? Look at pushbullet and how it started so great, but then had to backpeddle and increase monetizing, only to alienate users because it was a change.

        I’m sorry you don’t like capitalism, and I’m sorry we’re stuck inside it too. But an app like this is a pretty time intensive thing. You either kill your spare time working on it as a hobby, or you monetize so you can avoid how much time it sucks from you by not having to work on other things.

        • jiji@lemmy.world
          3·
          2 years ago

          Besides, sync was always monetized, and everyone that was asking/begging Dawson to migrate the app knew that. The only people surprised are people that didn’t use it to begin with, and aren’t going to use it now.

          I’m an iPhone user so never had Sync, but even I’m confused about how upset people are. It’s like they’re trying to be offended on behalf of Sync users? Like…Sync users aren’t forced to use it and aren’t forced to pay for it. They choose to because they like the app and appreciate what the dev does. I loved Apollo and while I know Christian isn’t going to make a Lemmy app, if he did I would pay for it/pay for an ad free version because I know he does good work and I like his product.

      • PsychedSy@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 years ago

        Por que no los dos?

        Homie’s been updating sync for over a decade. He actually asked us what he should do and we told him to make a lemmy app. Sync for Lemmy was trending in play store social media apps at #6 yesterday.

        I’m from reddit and I hate the reddit shit as much as you. I was actually looking forward to some interesting conversations. Lemmy’ll grow and part of that growth will be development and part of it will be social norms around federation and these damn kids.

      • sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        Oh I’m aware why people gripes. Almost all the biggest threads I’ve seen are about it, memes, just and endless wave of it. It’s just a trip to see the Lemmy Patreon with 484 people subscribed to it with this many people on Lemmy.