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tfw my wife has a paracetamol allergy and I will never have autistic kids
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Oh he also recently ate thermal paper/reciept because it was healthy on an article today. hes also associated epstein too.
TL;DR they want Autistic people to go without pain killers.
and pregnant women ☝😃 ibuprofen is not allowed during the last trimester making tylenol the usual painkiller of choice
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it’s a bad argument, but the people claiming that Tylenol causes autism aren’t using logic to make their claim either.
The logic of the ‘meme’ is just bad. Something being identified before something else does not mean the second thing cannot create the first.
Cancer existed before cigarettes, yet cigarettes still cause cancer. Using this ‘meme’s’ logic, “anyone trying to tell you that cigarettes cause cancers is entirely full of crap”.
This is another dumb take. Cigarettes don’t cause cancer, they increase cancer risk.
RFK is claiming he knows the cause of Autism not something that can increases its risks.
The logic of this meme is sound.
This is giving some strong “bullets don’t kill people, it’s the blood loss and organ damage” and I don’t like it.
Hey, I know reading comprehension may not be your thing and this is certainly not my fight. I will break it down one more time for clarity.
RFK claims it CAUSES Autism. He does not claim merely it increases the risk.
This meme stated quite logically that if it is the cause of Autism and Autism existed before the medication use was widespread, then clearly it does not cause Autism.
Obviously it does not cause Autism, in fact I doubt it is even a risk factor for it. This is pseudo science bullshit that is being used to sell made up “treatments”.
Frankly, people that are having a hard time with this are playing devil’s advocate, misinformed, or are MAHA.
So what part of this are you not “getting”
I’m wondering if they saw the research that shows paracetamol reduces empathy and just jumped straight to autism
That is some interesting research. I had heard it in passing, but I want to read more about it. Thanks!
Hey, reading comprehension isn’t an issue. Not gonna read past that though since you started out by stating that you’re a massive douchebag. Probably just kept hammering that home, anyway.
Yeah, just going to block you now.
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Uh, this is a logical fallacy though :(
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Not to defend RFK, but this argument is dumb.
People from everywhere it doesn’t natively grow developed cancer long before they had access to tobacco. That doesn’t prove tobacco use doesn’t cause cancer, it just means it isn’t the only potential cause.
That’s because cancer is a category of diseases, not a single one. Specific types of cancer that are caused by smoking are caused by smoking (there is afaik 12 of those, and some are associated with prolonged inhalation of any smoke, and some are only tabaco-related, but it doesn’t matter)
The point is, the claim is that Tylenol is “linked to” autism.
This post is rebutting the claim that Tylenol “causes” autism.
Thats a classic straw man argument.
No, the post is claiming that because Tylenol was discovered after autism, it can’t be a cause of it. That’s flawed logic: it’s true that autism must also have some other cause, but it’s very possible in principle for things to have multiple causes, so the timeline argument proves nothing.
That’s not to say that Dipshit McBrainworm’s claim has any sort of merit whatsoever, mind you. It’s just that this argument is defective.
the timeline argument proves nothing
That’s what I said ?
If there is a bump in cases of autism post-Tylenol, then it might be a cause, if there isn’t, it can’t be. That’s the reason for the timeline argument, that’s what it proves.
“Linked to” means “might cause in some cases”. If it’s “linked” then it should be at least correlated. The disconnect between the two shows that it isn’t.
Are there any cancers that were found to be “caused by smoking” before 2003?
Of those, are there any that have subsequently also been found to be “caused by” vaping (such as the tobacco-related ones)?
If so, then it means vaping is indeed a cause (as opposed to the singular cause) of those cancers even though they were around before vaping was invented (in 2003).
That’s why this meme is bad.
If you focus on nicotine specifically, nicotine causes specific type of cancer. Change in the delivery mechanism would cause fluctuations in dosage, but it doesn’t matter in this case (we ignore other types of cancer not to bog down the analogy).
If one would argue that Tylenol causes autism, two things should be shown, the delivery mechanism of Tylenol before it was invented/isolated, to explain pre-Tylenol cases of autism, and/or specific uptick in autism when it was started to be used as medication.
It’s possible that the meme is good you just didn’t get it.Or that Tylenol is able to aggravate a pathway that results in development of autism. This would move it from “Tylenol causes autism” to “maternal use of Tylenol may be a trigger for development of autism in utero”. The latter statement would also require providing compelling that autism (or a condition currently indistinguishable from it) is either not genetic as currently suspected or is like schizophrenia in requiring both a genetic predisposition and a “trigger”.
Now, that’s quite a bit to have to prove and there’s no way in hell RFK Jr of all people managed to figure it out in 6 fucking months. So yeah if China or the EU starts saying this maybe it’s worth considering the possibility, otherwise it’s just another unsubstantiated claim that unfortunately means pregnant people are going to be recommended it’s not worth risking
Also I’m pretty sure paracetamol has been around for about 150 years or more.
Also dumb because it wasn’t until 1943 that we had the first diagnosis of autism. OP is just making shit up.
Paracetamol, what you lot call acetaminophen, was first synthesized in 1877(or maybe much earlier in 1852). It wasnt widely used until the 1950s. Tylenol is a brand name that means fuck all to any conversation.
It means a lot to the company that owns the Tylenol brand. People would be fools not to try suing.
No, you see he said “asseattomanefin” first. So, its totally fine…
Hang on, I’ve got Assetto Corsa’s lawyers on the phone…
… Tylenol is Acetaminophen, unless some atypical specialized formula. Just like Advil is typically just Ibuprofen.
What do you think I meant with “brand name”? You do realise that Tylenol is a brand, and not the actual drug, right?
Oh, I see, sorry. I thought you were saying not to take Tylenol.
Tylenol is Acetaminophen
… which most of the world calls paracetamol.
Just because something already exists, doesn’t mean it can’t be also caused by something else. Like canser. It already exists. But smoking can cause it too.
Next to that, it’s paracetamol. It predates the discovery/naming of autism. It’s already proven not to be the cause by other studies. Of course these studies could have been wrong, but I highly doubt that.
So this statement is incorrect. Doesn’t change the fact that I don’t believe a word of either Trump or RFK. I still believe science and I still don’t believe pseudoscience.
There’s proof it’s NOT caused by paracetamol?
That’s not modern science works. The “modern” scientific method (as in post-medieval) requires you to have a positive hypothesis that you can test (as in disprove). Starting with a negative statement doesn’t work in this system. Maybe here we are witnessing the birth of a new scientific system or this administration is so backwards that they rewinding all the way to pre-Galilean times.
That’s exactly what I thought, no idea what the other commenter was saying
See the other comments. Someone linked to the studies stating there was no link found.
Finding no link isn’t proof that no link exists. Only that none has been found. It’s evidence, not proof.
That’s how science works in general. Stuff is proven until proven otherwise.
I just don’t believe the pseudoscience claims from RFK or Trump.
Their announcement is bullshit for sure. There’s no evidence to support their claims, and lots to support the contrary.
Yeah but that’s the thing nowadays: there’s an attack on facts, proof and science in general. It’s all about feelings and the loudness of the biggest screamers (populist politicians and extremist influencers). Scientists and fact checkers are portrayed as dumb, incompetent, terrorists, etc. These arguments are the weakest possible in a discussion but somehow people just follow these idiots and reject science and facts.
The same happened when the church felt threatened by science during the discovery of the round earth traveling around the sun. The general public was riled up against science, even forcing academia to practice in secret.
You actually believe their bullshit 😂 fucken sheep
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Oh look, another brilliant mind discovered that autism was identified before Tylenol existed, so obviously Tylenol can’t cause autism. That’s like saying cancer existed before radiation therapy, therefore radiation can’t cause cancer. Peak necessity/sufficiency confusion right here - apparently conditions can only have one cause and medical recognition equals temporal origin.
But hey, let’s ignore that Swedish study of 2.5 million kids that found zero causal link when they actually controlled for confounding variables using sibling comparisons. Or those other high-quality studies that show the association completely disappears once you account for genetics and family environment. Who needs actual science when you have timeline gotchas?
Meanwhile pregnant women might avoid the safest pain reliever available because some politician decided to manufacture outrage for political points. But at least someone gets to feel intellectually superior about their logical fallacy meme.
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Meanwhile pregnant women might avoid the safest pain reliever available
More importantly, the safest fever-reducer available. Fevers are actually known to be damaging to fetuses, unlike acetaminophen.
You’re not wrong. But my guess is that “autism predates Tylenol” is probably gonna convince more people than “large controlled study done by the Swiss”. People are generally really ignorant
How on earth is that a thing? Do Americans just read the first two letters of a name and then give up?
I mean, as an Austrian I get the confusion between Austria and AustrALia (emphasis added so that Americans can also see it), but SwEDEN vs SwISS is just wild.
I knew someone who lived in Switzerland. Switzerland isn’t part of the EU, Sweden is. That meant that a lot of online shopping sites for EU residents would ship to Sweden but not Switzerland. So, he would ship to his address, but in Sweden. The nice folks in Sweden would say “gosh, another person once again confused Sweden and Switzerland” and forward the shipment to Switzerland, and he’d get his stuff.
You Australians are so like the Austrians though. /s
G’day mate. Put another shrimp on the barbie
Am I doing this right?
Hmm, i don’t like your tone, but you are correct. ASD has a heritability greater than 80% which is higher than blood pressure and the same as human height. It’s a genetic disorder.
Also, when was it necessary to differentiate ASD from schizophrenia? The age of onset of schizophrenia is around 18-21 and autism is present practically from birth (apparent 1-3 years). I think OP is wrongly interpreting the Kraepelinian dichotomy which is about bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.
@[email protected] is totally right. The meme is based on a wrong premise.
It claims that Autism was a known thing in 1911 (true), and that Tylenol was created in 1955 (misleading since the active ingredient, Paracetamol was created in 1878 and was in wide use before the brand Tylenol was created). Then it implies that the argument is that Tylenol is the only cause of Autism and then poses that as a contradiction.
Logically, that’s like claiming that some People died in 1700, and that the Ford Model T was only created in 1908 and then claiming that thus it’s nonsense that cars can kill people.
On the one hand it ignores that the active ingredient of the medication was in use far earlier than that one random brand showing up, and on the other hand it claims that the argument with Tylenol and Autism is that every single case of Autism happens due to Tylenol, which pretty much nobody is claiming.
So the meme is just wrong on many levels.
So instead of making up and disproving a lie, why not use actual science? There’s overwhelming scientific evidence that Paracetamol has no effect on Autism.
One might say that this doesn’t really sway those who choose to ignore science in favour of their own gut feelings, but on the other hand, does a fallacious lie sway them?
I think we can agree the meme is terrible and misleading.
I guess we can.
Well, the OP’s argument becomes nil when it’s based on such a basic fallacy, I mean c’mon. Temporal precedence ≠ causal impossibility.
And since autism-as-symptom existed in 1911 but autism-as-disorder wasn’t differentiated until later, the meme’s temporal logic becomes even more meaningless. lol
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The statements of the meme are in mathematical form
A≠B B≠C
Therfore A≠C
which is not necessarily true and what @meowmeowbeanz is referring too.
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Paracetamol predates autism, the meme is wrong. It refers to a random brand, not the substance
This reads like a grok reply lol
There’s no time or resources in the world to debunk all the bullshit this people generate. Every day, all the time…
“Firehose of falsehoods” is the term, i believe.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406
Findings In this population-based study, models without sibling controls identified marginally increased risks of autism and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) associated with acetaminophen use during pregnancy. However, analyses of matched full sibling pairs found no evidence of increased risk of autism (hazard ratio, 0.98), ADHD (hazard ratio, 0.98), or intellectual disability (hazard ratio, 1.01) associated with acetaminophen use.
I can’t wait to post this on social media. No one is going to respond and actually read a medical journal article but Bravo for this. Very interesting and telling. These people will take anything and run with it hardcore for an agenda my god lol
