But sugar dissolves in cold water. It just takes a bit longer. This is 9th grade chemistry. At 20°C 203.9g sugar are soluble per 100ml of water.
[Edit: Sorry, for the Americans here: At 68°F, 1 cup of sugar is soluble in 21/50 cups of water.]
Wikipedia (de): Zucker cites Hans-Albert Kurzhals: Lexikon Lebensmitteltechnik. Volume 2: L – Z. Behr, Hamburg 2003, ISBN 3-86022-973-7, p. 723.
Have you seen how much sugar those hicks put into their tea though? It’s gotta be hot because they put coca cola grade amounts of sugar, to the point where it wont dissolve in the water anymore. Sweet tea contains 36-38 grams of sugar per 16 oz. That’s a fucking soft drink.
Grams per ounce? You guys are savages with your units for concentration.
You just need to do more drugs
16 oz (454ml) can dissolve some 900 grams of sugar, far in excess of 38 grams. Sugar is ridiculously soluble in water.
When I make my sweet tea, I use two cups per gallon, which comes out to about 50g of sugar per 16oz. And it’s delicious! It’s definitely not a “drink all the time” type drink. I only make it a few times a year for friends.
example: you don’t make a pitcher of kool-aid with hot water.
however, adding sugar to the hot tea does work better than adding it after it’s already chilled.
How? Wouldn’t the excess sugar just come out of solution when the tea cools down again?
They’re not super saturating it. They’re putting an amount of sugar in the tea that can dissolve at room temperature, it just takes a long time to do so.
Ok, got it. Someone in this thread mentioned ice cold water can still hold 1.7x its weight in sugar.
Yeah basically, leave the pitcher to evaporate and you get your sugar back as a coating on thr glass
It dissolves quickly when the solution is warm. You would need to add a ridiculous amount for it to be saturated at room temp or slightly below.
“ice cold” water can hold about 170 grams of sugar in 100 grams of water
And most of all, solubility being a function of the temperature, if you lower it the excess sugar will leave the solution and cristallize.
I came here to say this, but the best Aqua is without sugar anyway.
That’s very thoughtful of you to provide the imperial measurements as well for Americans ☺️
Well that explains the diabeetus.
That is really just a map of poverty.
I’m going to look at how poverty is defined. You just gave me an idea for my grad school program.
Apparently it’s defined by your blood sugar 🤷♂️
Hawaii doesn’t check out, but they do look very similar
Meh, its not a perfect correlation (and the time series for the poverty map and the diabetes map are different), but most chronic diseases tend correlate with poverty pretty well. You should look at a map of obesity. It follows the same form.
Nah, that’s actually a my bad for not getting my point across. Looking back on my comment: I know I was trying to commend you, but I must’ve gave up on trying, because it fell completely flat (Not to just you, but to me too when I reread my reply). Dunno where my head was when I posted it, but I can see that I stopped trying at some point and just hit “send”
The reason I commented to your post at all was because my first reaction was, “holy shit, that’s so specifically accurate and funny at the same time… how was this person seeing a fucking heat map, and able to respond with their own map, that is both wildly accurate and hilarious, given the context”.
So I scoured the maps, because I wanted to commend you and also try and be as witty. Hawaii was one of the only (obvious) differences I could find (which makes sense when talking about diabetes and poverty)… but then idk what I did. Just literally gave up on being clever and posted a “spot the difference” comment
So yeah, doesn’t much matter in the grand scheme of things, but I still wanted to let ya know just in case… I thought your comment of the map was surprisingly astute, and I was kinda flabbergasted that it seemed like you just had that on standby. Like you were just waiting for this moment your whole freaking life, and then pulled that very specifically accurate map out of your ass, as soon as it was relevant.
My comment fell flat on it’s face, because it truly couldn’t be topped. And I think I must’ve gotten distracted and gave up on my response, because the only thing I really wanted to convey was… fucking brava my friend. That was some S-tier shit you dropped; and so casually too. It wasn’t necessarily news to me, but hot damn if it wasn’t quick.
My original comment should’ve just been “you win” or some shit like that, but I failed on both ends to get that across
So very much so… holy hell friend bwahahahaha!!! Well fucking done (and pardon my language). But that was the very definition of “under-rated comment” to me. My applause to you
Sugar should be heavily taxed, it’s so dangerous at rates of more than 10 grams a day
It should be taxed on the corporate side. Taxing sugar on the consumer side becomes a poor tax, because poor people will still want sweets from time to time, making those treats now more and more expensive. Well off people will just accept the tax because it’s marginal to them, but when your chocolate bar that you treat yourself to once a week goes from 1.29 to 3.29, then it really fucks your day up.
What should be done is incentives to provide less sugar/glucose-fructose on the product side and encourage companies to make snacks and beverages that have less sugar content.
It doesn’t make a difference which side you tax. If consumers are taxed then corporations will still feel it through reduced demand for their product. If corporations are taxed, consumers will still feel it through increased prices. The tax burden does not depend on who is taxed, but rather how elastic supply and demand are.
Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on? Obviously if this is a megacorp, they could spread it out over unrelated products, but in the end its not like theyll roll over, take the corporate tax and leave the product at the old price. Is it being a poor tax even that bad of a thing? This is not a necessity and poor people are generally going to be the ones that suffer from poor diet / lifestyle choices in very big part due to the price/calorie aspect of junkfood et al. Lets be real, if you buy a bar once a week, 1.29->3.29 is not a big deal.
Also, we do have tax on sugarry soft drinks in the EU (atleast my country), it is just laughably small compared to EtOH and tobacco). I personally always have thought that anything with added sugar beyond a certain amount should get a heavy tax, conditional on this tax being funneled into healthcare / public health programs.
Agreed. Though either way the price of heavily sugared stuff would go up
Whoa settle down there
Sucrose is 1:1 glucose/ fructose which is near the optimal 0.8 ratio for fueling endurance activities
I rode 100 miles solo in less than 5 hours Sunday on 360g sucrose in 4 750ml bottles
It’sa lot cheaper than all that fancy SIS/skratch etc
Carbs aren’t poison if you move your body
Yeah I consume near 400g carbs every day and am fine as a competitive powerlifter who also runs (which is rare lol). You just can’t be sitting on your ass all day.
The issue is how much hidden sugar there is, especially in the US. Just look at how many things include stuff like corn syrup when it isn’t all that necessary.
If you paid twice as much for the sugar, would it materially impact you?
At this point in my life no. When I was young, for sure
Sure, but so few people are high energy athletes who can legitimately burn the sugar right away.
My comment was really about the great majority of people for whom sugar consumption is a path to metabolic disease, diabetes, and early death
I still support a tax on sugar as it would reduce consumption overall, but for those wealthy enough to exercise hard a sugar tax would hardly hurt
Wealthy enough to exercise? Wtf?
Ain’t even going there
It’s probably a U shaped curve where you can devote (or have to devote) significant time to exercise at very low incomes, but it becomes harder at working poor sort of levels, then easy again at a certain level above poverty
I don’t doubt the number, that means 0.5l soda is 5 times the daily rate!
And when you drink sugar free, your body still crave the sugar.
I recently lost 100lbs partially thanks to Diet Mountain Dew, Mountain Dew Zero, and a world of sugar free energy drinks. I also gained 40 lbs of muscle mass.
Note that I gained much of the weight due to major medical issues which left me bedridden for an extended period of time (years). I don’t have the fastest metabolism in the world, so it took a lot of work to melt the pounds off. I could not have done it without diet soda/energy drinks.
The only reason researchers been able to determine for diet soda not contributing to weight loss/“fat” disease prevention is that (current studies are showing) we (consciously or subconsciously) attempt to replace those missing calories with more sugar, rather than cutting back. While there have been studies on the effects of artificial sweeteners on insulin production, etc. they are mostly inconclusive.
If you are shooting for a low carb/low calorie diet, a good diet soda is a safe choice. Don’t let others make you miserable. Just make sure you aren’t pulling in extra calories elsewhere.
Regardless of what type of diet you follow, remember that weight loss boils down to calories out > calories in. Most of your calories come from carbs, so taking on a more active lifestyle with a high protein/low carb diet will ultimately help you lose weight and build muscle mass. Just don’t skimp on the protein (you want most of your calories to come from protein) because you will also be burning some muscle mass unless you actively try to prevent it. Keep a food journal and write down everything you eat/drink. Some dietary choices you make without realizing may surprise you.
I lost 70 pounds over about four months last year primarily via calorie counting. I know it’s anecdotal, but I absolutely felt hungrier after the same meal if I had a diet soda with it compared to an unsweetened iced tea, or even an iced tea with a sugar packet or two. It’s great that you have the willpower to stick to the rest of your diet regardless, but there is definitely a reason people recommend cutting it out to make it easier to follow a plan.
Now if only i could sallow diet drinks
Have you tried coke zero? I can’t stand diet coke but I like coke zero well enough
its the aspartame any thing with that will cause my throat to fill with thick mucus after just a few ounces. I used to drink big red zero since it use splenda and that was fine.
Cool thanks for the tip!
yes.
screw you for getting it right
i hate when i go down south and go to restaurants and order iced tea and get a glass of concentrated sugar water
diabetus by L Ron Hubbard
Lemmy is now getting reposts. We’ve reached critical mass!
I don’t see the point of having reposts here, not like there’s visible karma or anything.
Also, I loved you in that thing!
Reposts aren’t just because of karma whoring. It can be a crosspost or someone saw it and just thought it was funny and wanted to share it to a community they liked.
You may also be one of the first 10,000 today too.
Or simply because not everyone sees every single post and knows it’s a repost…
Do you not know of the internet repost database? It’s a repository of all posts ever made to every website. You’re supposed to go to it every time you want to post something.
It’s over here… In my basement. It also has cookies.
So you’re saying you want me to come over to your basement, eat cookies and browse memes? I’m in.
Where did you find it in the first place?
Very true. Maybe it’s better to say that I don’t think repost are a problem here yet, and I don’t expect it to be due to the lack of visible karma.
And if it’s the first time you’ve seen that xkcd link, congratulations, you are one of today’s meta-10000
Well, it’s the gays or atheists. Or “colored” people. Or whoever they are told to hate at that moment. This happens more than you know in this day and age:
I’ve lived in the deep south for over 40 years in small towns, and have never witnessed a single instance of any minority being denied service at any establishment.
Has anyone reading this actually ever seen that happen in real life?
This is anecdotal but I have seen this as a gay man living in Ohio. My whole family is from the sticks but I live just outside a major city now. There’s a pizza place back home that my fiance and I can’t go to because they won’t serve him (he is, admittedly, quite fabulous). I can go alone, because I blend in, but him they will just quietly ignore and occasionally glance over to check if he’s gotten the hint yet. No yelling, no epithets, but no service either.
Sad to hear these stories, but I did ask for it. I can’t discount your experience because mine is as anecdotal as yours.
I hope these stories are rare though, and I also hope that anyone who does experience any of these kinds of discrimination will put the businesses “on blast” as the kids say by posting their experiences on social media to give them the stink that they deserve.
Thanks, I didn’t realize it happened either until one day it happened to me. Then it happened again, and again. Not frequent, and not always as tangible as being denied pizza, but little things here and there in the way people look at me and treat me that only started happening after I came out. I have yet to experience any actual violence, but the general vibe is such that I don’t feel comfortable being out and am considering moving to a more friendly state.
I don’t think that’s homophobia as much as rude staff who ignore people who aren’t assertive. I’m not stereotypically gay/flamboyant but get ignored a lot in restaurants and stores because I’m somewhat quiet when I’m alone.
While I appreciate where you’re coming from, I can assure you that, in this scenario, it was very much a case of homophobia. Unless everyone there grew new personalities at the same time that I came out.
Idk that’s fair. But there is a big difference between how people treat others that I see and how they treat me at some restaurants.
Nope, what Prussia_X86 said sounds very much like homophobia. They won’t serve his flamboyant fiance because he looks and acts “gay”, and if they knew that Prussia_X86 was gay they wouldn’t serve him either. While not all gays are as flamboyant as that his fiance sounds like, plenty are, and while not all flamboyant men aren’t gay (or even attracted to men among other genders), a good chunk are. There’s a reason a lot of people assume that flamboyant men are gay, and it’s because a lot of them are.
What I’m saying is that there isn’t a reason to assume that’s why they were ignoring him.
I grew up in FL and was denied service 2 separate times for being mixed race. This occurred in the early 2000s. Both times the restaurants were subtlety segregated and they refused to seat us in either section.
Yep. I grew up in the mountains of NC. When I was a kid, the mayor of our town was the head of the local KKK sect. Needless to say, non-white people were generally not found in that town.
Attitudes did change over the following years, so that was nice.
It might be because you aren’t a visible minority that you haven’t witnessed it, you don’t notice it happening because it’s not on your radar that it could happen.
I am not from the deep south but close enough. I haven’t seen anything like what people online seem to think it’s like around here, it’s overly exaggerated. That’s not to say discrimination doesn’t ever happen, I’m sure there’s pockets here and there. I personally don’t know a single person who is ok with that crap.
Stay in the cities (50k and up), its the small in-between towns that can get bad. Bigger the better
No thanks, my town has less than 6000 population, and I can easily afford my mortgage on my house that sits on an acre of land. It’s nice being my own landlord, and I can do whatever the fuck I want here.
Surprised you forgot “people who might be transgender (wE cAn AlWaYs TeLl)”
As a server, southerners stare at me in wide eyed awe when I pour a disgusting amount of simple syrup into a glass of iced tea.
What do they think they do at the factory?
Factory? Hell nah, we home brew in this household
Corn syrup
That’s a trade secret!
They’re not buying tea in jugs, dear.
simple syrup
Wait, do americans use glucose syrup in kitchen?
It’s just a high concentration of sugar dissolved in water. Not used in food really unless you need to sweeten some cold tea for some southerners, i guess. Very commonly used to make alcoholic mixed drinks though.
I think mainly behind the bar, I don’t know too many folks who cook with it.
This seems like a US thing I’m too European to understand
(aka. they bring us the ingredients, and we make our own tea at the restaurant table)
What’s called sweet tea in the US is overwhelmingly sweet. That was my reaction to it the first time I tried it. It’s so sweet, the only way you can get that much sugar in it is if you dissolve that sugar in hot tea.
The trick is to order half sweet/half unsweet. Otherwise you get Aunt Jemima on ice.
I don’t know if you need to be told this.
Pay the money and buy real maple syrup, not ‘pancake syrup.’ Real maple syrup is one of the best tastes on the planet.
I’m aware of the existence and superiority of maple syrup. I only use Aunt Jemima in this example because that’s what oversweetened tea tastes like to me: shit.
I bow to your sagacity
Yeah that is my trick too. Or half sweet tea and half water.
Sweet tea can have as much sugar as soda. You would need to add 10-15 sugar packets to a single glass of iced tea to have the equivalent amount of sugar.
Not true about being able to only dissolve the sugar in hot tea, because if it was, the sugar would fall out once it cooled. You can dissolve the sugar into cold tea, it just takes more effort (so time and mixing) than doing it with hot tea and then cooling it. Cold water can hold approx. 1.7g of sugar per gram of water.
If I order a cup of tea, I don’t want to get a cup of hot water and a tea bag. Bloody continentals.
FUCKIN LIPTON
THAT’S NOT TEA
well it ain’t no PG TIPS but it will make a gallon of oddly flavored water cooked in the sun, which when chilled and enhanced with fresh lemon juice and served over ice, is dope
well it ain’t no PG TIPS but it will make a gallon of oddly flavored water
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.
Listen, you stupid machine. It tastes filthy! Here take this cup back!
[He throws cup at NutriMatic]
NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: If you have enjoyed the experience of this drink, why not share it with your friends?
ARTHUR: Because I want to keep them! Will you try and comprehend what I’m telling you? That drink -
NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: …that drink was individually tailored to meet your personal requirements for nutrition and pleasure
ARTHUR: Ah! So I’m a masochist on a diet, am I?!
NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: Share and enjoy.
ARTHUR: Oh shut up.
Yeah in the US they have this thing called sweet tea (some places have a choice between sweet and unsweetened tea).
To make sweet tea they just unload a tanker truck full of gum syrup into cold tea. That’s what it tastes like to me.
Sweet tea is a drink prepared hot but consumed cold. The cold part is best done via refrigeration. Bringing hot water, tea, and sugar are not going to achieve the same results.
it’s best not done at all to be honest. Just drink a soda like a regular person.
Why do you care what sugary drink people drink?
Some people like the taste of tea over the taste of soda, even if both are equally sickeningly sweet.
Have you ever had southern sweet tea? The flavor is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea. If you want to drink sugar water and brown coloring why not drink a coke?
Sugar will dissolve in unsweet tea, it’s just slower. If you can’t dissolve it in cold tea, then it wouldn’t stay in solution in hot tea that was cooled down.
For someone complaining about northerners not knowing 9th grade chemistry, it sure sounds like they weren’t paying attention themselves.
You’re technically correct, but completely missing the point that folks want to be able to actually drink it a reasonably short time after it’s been served.
Damn, I knew sugar was bad for you, but boy it looks like it can make you really irritable. Stop drinking so much sugar y’all. It’s nasty.
honestly I’m straight up addicted to Nestea Zero. My teeth aren’t rotting out and I’m not worried about diabetes but I need to get off this stuff
That’s OK. I don’t eat 'em.
Perhaps the real tea is the shitposts we made along the way.
I mean it would be inconvenient but they would still dissolve, they aren’t super saturating sweetened tea in the south.
Don’t give them ideas
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That’s exactly what they are doing for tea in the south.
Maybe someone should introduce her to a spoon.
the correct response to somebody trying to order sweet tea in the north is and always has been this quote from 30 rock:
“I’m gonna come back in 5 minutes, if you try to order off menu again I will slap those glasses off your face.”
And I hate when they have only sweet tea…
I kinda like the sugar at the bottom, but I’m a degenerate like that. (I’ve mostly excised my sweet tooth now. My dad is in his 50s and almost died from diabetic shock, with no knowledge of his condition)
