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They really are beating us at everything.
They did beat America in the race towards oppressive authoritarianism, but under Trump, the U.S. has caught up a great deal. So much winning!
Oppressive authoritarianism? But tankies told me that China is a place of unbridled liberty. A land of milk and honey. Unlike the evil West which is always horrible and terrible.
China hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years. America started their latest war by triple tapping a little girls school during peace talks. 200 dead little girls.
The USA is doing all they can to discredit the USA
oppressive authoritarianism
People who have never experienced democracy and have only been fed lies by their authoritarian government think their country is democratic and equal. Shocker.
One can say the same about the US… Just saying.
To some extent… But in the USA until recently people never had reason to fear speaking out against their government.
Unless you were black, a woman, gay, socialist, communist, etc lmfao.
You ever read a history book?
To some extent… But in the USA until recently people never had reason to fear speaking out against their government.
Which people? The FBI killed Black Panther organizer Fred Hampton in his bed, back in the 60s.
The Red Scare was a decade before that.
And the back in the 1930s, The Bonus Army, a movement of World War 1 veterans demanding payment for their service from the government, was violently crushed by the united States military.
Using personal opinion of crowds is notoriously very bad and people are easily misguided. ALL this says is the Chinese BELIEVE they’re democratic and all equal. Not that they actually are.
These are great proof of China’s superiority! Until you see the Chinese questionnaires:
Choose an option:
[ ] My government serves the people
[ ] I want my social credit score to take a nosedive. No more bank loans, government permits, study or career opportunities for me, please!Social credit score doesn’t apply to regular people in the PRC. It’s for corporations and sometimes politicians. https://youtu.be/wYaKoDyIvWA
So people in a nation where disagreeing with leadership is punished all agree with leadership. Interesting…
I asked a man from North Korea how he felt about living in such a place. He replied: “eh, can’t complain.”
I asked someone from Switzerland and he said “Well the flag is a big plus.”
I mean… Can Chinese people vote out the current party and pick something else?
Yes? No? No. How the fuck is it a democracy then.
So then you’d concede Ukraine is not democratic since they can’t vote out Zelenskyy, right?
The point here being - democracy isn’t just “the presence of multiple political parties”.
Elections being postponed during wartime is pretty standard. If he won’t voluntarily leave office when the war’s over then we can talk about it not being a democracy.
get outta here with your facts.
What fact do you believe is presented in this image?
the image shows perception of democracy is much higher in china than other countries generally considered to be developed democracies by western discourse. i thought this was self-evident.
In that case, we are in agreement. People in authoritarian countries will definitely say they are happier with the government than people in freer countries
Seems to have more to do with China than AI per-se considering that TSMC, Samsung and SK Hynix are unaffected.
That’s not a bubble bursting. It’s not nearly enough fallout. These are the warning signs.
Not even people there want to support this cray-cray ai trend no more, they just ahead of the curve huh.
some context, first of all, the -40% collapse only brought the STAR50 index back to its March 2026 levels.
and the Chinese stock market is heavily moderated by the government which is very different from the US market. if the stock rallies too quickly, the government generally speaking will try to slow it down. Sometimes through explicit policies 1, sometimes through a kind of “scare tactic” 2. Conversely, when the stock drops too sharply, the government also intervenes to prop it up 3. Honestly I feel more countries should do the same.
The Chinese stock market is also much smaller relative to its GDP (101.5%) compared to the US (227%) 4. All this is to say, if you look at China and think, “huh, their AI bubble burst and they still seem to be fine?”, think again. If and when the AI bubble bursts for the US, it’s going to be much much worse.
Point 3 is the Buffet Index. In 1929 and 2007 it was at 130%. Guess where that extra 100% comes from. AI companies and AI speculation. We are so fucked.
US markets will halt trading for those same issues.
No! I wanna see CEOs and entire Boards jump out the window like in '29 dammit!
My ideal scenario:
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The AI bubble lasts a little bit longer, they put data centers in space.
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The bubble pops immediately after this, all the companies go broke and nobody maintains the satellites.
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Free PC components rain from the skies, I sit out on the roof surrounded by buckets catching RAM and SSDs.
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They’re a bit scorched but I’ll take what I can get.
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Was there candy inside?
No, just cockroaches
Was there candy in the cockroaches?
“Ain’t that a shame.”
“You’re the one to blame.”
Can we all just agree China and USA bad? I swear lemmy is such a china propaganda machine lately let’s not forget all the horrors of China in the very recent past.
I think capitalism is bad because state capitalism (China) or corporate capitalism (USA) both end up being propaganda
Sure, one country has issues with surveillance and free speech, and the other just started another illegal war of agresssion by triple tapping an elementary school and killing 200 little girls.
They’re both pretty bad.
Both have issues with surveillance and free speech.
“has issues” is carrying a lot of weight. We really didn’t know how bad the Nazi concentration camps were until they Allied forced to to them. We really don’t know how bad China or the US are treating their “undesirables.” There’s nothing to gain by taking one side over another. They’re both invaded and/or are planning invasion of their neighbors. They’re both supplying nations committing genocides. They’re both digital surveillance states with propaganda campaigns.
This literally down plays the atrocities committed by America on the daily due to some assumed evil being perpetrated by a country that hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years.
Find a better source than your imagination.
Sorry. I didn’t know you where the one person who’s immune to propaganda.
You must be pretty desperate if you moved the goal posts of binary good/evil to whether or not someone dropped bombs.
Not really, murdering civilians is pretty high up on the list of evil shit a country can do.
Like China has been doing that. You keep thinking I’m downplaying the US, but I haven’t defending a single thing the US has done. I’m the one reminding people that a construction company that make crematoriums were on display at the boarder patrol expo.
I just haven’t forgotten Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan, when they redrew their territory boarders and claimed a bunch of islands, when they disappeared Naomi Wu for a few months(whatever happened to her girlfriend?), how they’ve outlawed lgbt media, when they sonar pinged Australian divers and cause eyed injuries.
Speaking of getting disappeared, whatever happened to Gedhun Choekyi Nyima?
Completely unserious, lmfao.
+Uyghur genocide, +Killing people who’re against the system, …
If what you’re saying were true, they would cancel each other out in a comprison to the US, due to the Gaza genocide and trump deporting or executing dissenters in the street using his secret police.
Cheap GPUs when?
That’s… that’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.
Mild discounts, yes. Cheap again? No.
CheaPUs
Won’t happen anytime soon. Even if AI bubble popped today, the companies that remain make AI a household name will still be scooping up chips for decades.
Ill take two cheap gpus please
You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version
You can buy a 16gb v100
no thanks, I’d prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM…
Give it a couple of months and they’ll figure out a way to solder the GPU chipset and VRAM onto a donor board with a modified BIOS.
With any luck, the market will be flooded with these hybrid graphics cards and absolutely crater Nvidia’s revenue & valuation (triggering a similar crash in the US and elsewhere).
with any luck jensen will be dragged through the streets and pelted with rotten fruit
Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough.
nah, I don’t want to eat the leftovers of nvidia’s AI slop machine, I want a gpu that’s for graphics the WAY GOD INTENDED
I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then
Paywall
So China has already gotten ahead of the US on AI…
China is ahead of the US in many things.
Prett sure the comment was sarcastic
