saves files where I like with Nautilus
By now it’s a sloperating system full of slopvertisement and slopware
sloperating system
Also, with the foisted AI integration, this is just a brilliant way to describe things right now.
Windows is the virus
It’s becoming more and more a subscription services hub and ad platform.
Am I the only one that thinks one drive is cool? Apart from the fact that Microsoft tries to confuse the user and also harvests their data.
I think its cool to have core user folders that are automatically backed up to a cloud account. Ive been trying to find an extremely cheap way to set it up myself on Linux. It would be so cool to open a new distro, login to my cloud storage abd then have all my settings pull in and photos, documents etc. I want my music folder to replicate across all my devices including mobile. I know there are ways to do it synthingbor git, but I’d like a easy way like onedrive haha.
OneDrive is a decent solution for non-techies who need a backup system. I’ve installed it for octogenarians who certainly would never backup anything on their own. It does versioning on the files, so it can protect against ransomware and provide fallback to earlier versions.
Whenever I am remotely helping one of the people I have it setup for, I glance at the icon to see if it is working. Occasionally, I see it complaining about a single file not syncing for some reason, but that generally will resolve itself by the next time I check.
It has a vault that requires additional authentication for your most sensitive files.
I like it—I’m sure its not perfect, but it isn’t terrible.
Check that again. OneDrive is not a backup application, it is a cloud storage application. By default it syncs folders. If you open OneDrive on the web and delete a file there, it will be deleted on the computer on your drive. It’s not backing up your folder, it is replacing it. The internet is filled with testimonies of people failing to understand this basic difference and getting confused about why their files are deleted. Most other cloud services do one way backup by default. MS does a poor job of explaining this behavior and just push for the use of OneDrive blindly.
These seem like semantics to me. Saying it isn’t a backup, when it successfully restored my uncle’s 25 years of files after his hard drive failed, doesn’t ring true to me. OneDrive allows recovery of data from ransomware, common user error like deleting or overwriting files, drive failure and catastrophe like fire. What use cases does this backup methodology lack for you that is important for casual end users?
Personally, I architected datacenter backups for a large company with business critical data. This was a decade ago, but even then I was responsible for architecting logical, physical, application, database, snapshot, tape and site replication for about a petabyte of data (hard drives used to be small). When you say that some of those things are not backup, I don’t understand why you think that? Different types of backups have different strengths, weaknesses and use cases.
What is funny is who the hell wants to save to a Documents folder? People are used to that now, but a lot of people didn’t like that either when it started.
Debian pleases the Omnissiah far more than Windows
Fool, it’s not “your” computer, it’s Microsoft’s. You shall use it the way they deem best for you.
They are not mutually exclusive. You can point OneDrive at any folder.
One drive crashes every computer I work on. I thought it was just a problem with the computer I was using at the time, but my computer got upgraded to another, and it stopped for awhile and then the computer started crashing again.
Then I moved offices, and my OneDrive seems to have infected the new one, since as soon as I started using it, the other person who uses it said it started crashing. And then it started crashing for me. And the other person figured out if he closes One Drive right at startup, there are no problems. I did the same, and no problems. But the second the computer automatically starts One Drive (like if I try to open anything from TEAMS), the whole computer crashes.
One Drive is a goddamn plague.
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The meme is dumb because onedrive just backs up your documents from your computer that you have in your house to the cloud. They’re still on your computer unless you delete them.
Not accurate, by default onedrive will make files online only all by itself if you’re not using them often enough.
Does it? We must be talking years of not using them. 5+, easily.
Only if your hard drive is full in order to make space.
Which is a much better option than getting the error to clean your drive yourself, then just dismissing it and complaining why their computer crashes.
And if you delete onedrive with stuff in it, you lose access to saved files so windows can’t be considered os
You mean when it has stuff backed up to the cloud, you can’t access the cloud anymore. Would be weird if you still could, wouldn’t it?
Name one other cloud backup system that allows this.
Who has actually encountered this? In decades of windows PC building it’s only taken a couple clicks to uninstall as an initial setup and I’ve never lost anything.
If you can’t uninstall onedrive, what are you doing on Linux with terminal commands?
Who has actually encountered this?
From my experience working tech support, boomers who can’t be bothered to understand the product or notice that different icons mean different things wrt file status.
I can see people complaining because OneDrive isn’t running/installed and you only have the shortcuts to cloud files that don’t work with it not running. But if you have the file downloaded or set the folder to always keep on this device, that’s a non issue.
It even explains the icons when you set it up.
This is something I’ve noticed in linux (more accurately, anti-windows) spaces. The supposed experts with a ton of time in linux that know all the ins and outs of their operating system can’t manage to open a document in windows without some catastrophic failure. Nothing ever works for them outside of linux.
Welcome to discussions about Windows on Lemmy. Rather than learning how to properly use Windows, a lot of people around here will blame operator error on the OS and just jump ship to Linux at the first stumbling block. They’ll claim something incredibly simple to work around simply isn’t possible.
If you frequent computer discussion around here you’ll find yourself asking this a lot: “If you couldn’t handle [complicated to access but easy to do Windows thing], how in the hell are you managing Linux?”
And a lot of the most outspoken against Windows here legitimately have not used it in over five years, yet speak as if they are up to date experts.
Relatedly: 99% of the “The sky is falling! Microsoft adds more ads to Windows!” articles thrown around on Lemmy are shit that is managed by ONE singular Settings menu option for all of them that (despite everyone’s insistence to the contrary) does NOT get silently reset during updates. But you’ll see everyone talking about the ads like they’re completely unavoidable and re-enable themselves if you press spacebar too hard.
Linux is awesome, 99% of the issues to work around in Windows simply shouldn’t exist in the first place, and don’t there.
But it’s still far from a smooth experience for non-technical users.
That said, for people who don’t want to learn how something works and just want it to work, there’s a compelling argument that copying and pasting random terminal lines off the internet is faster than trying to follow instructions guiding you through an unfamiliar UI. It’s more opaque as what it’s doing, and a lot easier to just fuck your install, but it can appear like less work in the short term.
For people open to learn though, I maintain that truly learning how to manage your linux distro install (instead of just being a copy paste warrior) is about as difficult as learning how to manage a Windows install properly.
Well, isn’t their whole sales pitch essentially that windows is super easy, everything has a GUI and you don’t have to use the sCaRy TerMiNal? If you then have to change some cryptic registry entries to disable behavior that shouldn’t be enabled in the first place, the argument for using it just collapses. It shouldn’t be hard to uninstall the default browser, but somehow microsoft manages to make it hard
It is super easy, if you stick within the boundaries of the absolute most basic use cases. If you’re a normal user, which is what Linux evangelists insist Linux is ready for despite persistent edge cases with hardware support.
If you think ripping out the default web browser (which is used behind the scenes as a system component for a ton of OS level shit) is a “normal user” action, then you’re already operating outside of their target demographic and well into the “you can figure it out yourself bucko” realm.
Even installing a different browser beside Edge is farther than 90% of users will ever consider going.
It’s very easy from a position of tech knowledge to assume that the average user is a hell of a lot more saavy than they are. Go spend some time working IT support and you’ll be violently stripped of that notion. Fucking professional coders, good coders, that can’t navigate basic settings menus. Who don’t use adblocking plugins. It’s crazy.
But anyway, replacing the browser (and still leaving Edge installed) is as simple as installing your browser of choice, then going to Default Apps and switching it off Edge to what you want to use. Yes, it gives you a completely un-needed “are you sure” prompt. No, I’ve never had it reset that setting on me after an update.
The only default app setting I’ve had issues with is Edge taking over as default PDF reader after some updates, and that stopped happening well over a year ago.
This is the type of shit I’m talking about. Yes, it’s some dumb as shit OS design to so tightly couple the web browser into the rest of the OS.
But the “gotcha” from Linux users is “Well if Windows is meant to be so easy to use for normal people, why can’t I rip out a critical OS component easily?”
Because it’s a critical OS compenent you dolt.
You aren’t asking about using Firefox here, you’re asking about something akin to changing the BT stack handler, the TCP/IP stack, or the CPU scheduler. All things you can do on Linux, but not normal end user shit.
Well, anything is easy if you stay within the boundaries of the OS as it is shipped. For arch, that means no desktop environment at all, just the TTY – which is super easy to use if that happens to be exactly your use case. IMO a reasonable test is not whether is it easy to use if you stay within the boundaries (as that is true for everything), but whether those boundaries are reasonable.
I completely agree that ripping out system components does not have to be easy. But not wanting Cortana, OneDrive, Edge or other microsoft programs to be preinstalled, hard to remove, and constantly nagging you to use them over other programs is not an unreasonable request. Last time I installed Windows for a friend, you needed a workaround to be able to use the computer without a user account tied to some microsoft account. And that triggered the same response in me as in the meme – this is not some cloud service where I make an account and they provide the hardware. I want to use the computer that is sitting in front of me, in my house. Why should I need a microsoft account for that?
Ok, but now we’re changing the context, and we’re back to my original point: Making Windows work for you is possible, and roughly as hard as making the switch to Linux.
But complaining that power-user functioanlity isn’t easy is just… asinine. If you understand the underlying design, it becomes awfully obvious that Microsoft is far more lazy than malicious. Same end result, but it helps make the entire process of using and configuring Windows make a lot more sense.
Yeah, Linux is obviously the better choice long term. But “fixing” Windows isn’t impossible, and switiching to Linux isn’t a “it just works” experience. Simple shit like HDR support still isn’t as plug and play as it “should” be.
So seeing people wrongly claim that doing certain things with Windows is literally impossible while they talk about dealing with similarly complex shit in Linux is frustrating. If you can do X in Linux, you are more than capable of doing Y in Windows.
You’re not wrong. It shouldn’t be necessary to tell Microsoft to fuck off at all. It’s not an unreasonable desire to want Microsoft to fuck off with their anti-consumer bullshit.
All I’m saying is that the skills needed to make Windows work for you are roughly equivalent in difficulty to getting Linux to work for you.
Both take work, and knowledge about the underlying design to do properly. The asinine “hot takes” from both sides are largely fuelled by people spouting off without the background knowledge to understand why things are designed how they are.
It’s definitely possible to make windows suck less. But no matter how proficient you are with windows, I don’t think it is possible to recreate the look-and-feel of Linux. Fundamentally, it is just not a modular system where you can switch out e.g. the bootloader, filesystems or the desktop environment. And even if you tried to, there is no source code, no mailing list, no comprehensive wiki, no Github issues where people already figured out the exact problem you’re facing, and it feels like the OS is fighting you every step of the way.
So what I’m saying is this: If you have very low knowledge about computers, windows kind-of works, but many things feel out of your control and you learn to hate your computer rather than like it (why does it want me to create an account, why does it update without me telling it to, why is all this crap preinstalled etc.). And even if you were to learn more about the inner workings of windows, it’s way less accessible due to its closed source and you still don’t get the same customizability that Linux would give you.
If you use it like a regular user, it is easy.
- Regular users just create a Microsoft Account and don’t bitch on how to circumvent that to force a local account instead. To them it doesn’t matter how hard it is, because they don’t use it.
- Regular users see suggestions in the start menu and either right click to uninstall or they let them be and aren’t bothered. Their start menu already is a mess of accidentally added apps.
- Regular users don’t even know OneDrive is enabled and automatically running, but they are damn glad it exists when their drive fails and don’t lose all their files.
- Regular users will never use command line in their life, if they can’t find it easily in the settings, they will just say “that is life” and work around their problem.
- Regular users will not update their OS on their own. When updates weren’t forced, you had tons of vulnerable machines that encountered all sorts of problems. So automating that makes it easier for them.
- Regular users will not do anything obscure with their computer that requires the registry. If it doesn’t do something they want, rather than trying to fix it, they will work around it. Even if that means going back to pen and paper. We know a computer can do it, but they don’t.
To us tech people, we demand the computer to behave how we want. But a regular user does not. To them it is a Swiss army knife of which they only use the bottle opener.
People certainly enjoy to learn how things work, even on the console. They don’t enjoy working around rocks a hostile OS throws in their way to line Microshit’s pockets. Because it is a lost battle, knowing your workaround will only work for so long until Microsoft will find a better way to sabotage you on your own computer. You need to be completely insane to enjoy this shitl. And a complete asshole to comment based on assumptions and allegations like this in an arrogant tone that tries to hide the hollow incompetence that’s behind it.
complete asshole to comment based on assumptions and allegations like this in an arrogant tone that tries to hide the hollow incompetence that’s behind it.
Go fuck yourself. You don’t know me, and if you cared more than trying to make a cheap shot at someone for daring to call Windows passable you would see that scattered through my posting history there’s more than enough evidence that I know what the fuck I speak of.
Am I the only person in the world that managed to delete the shit off of windows that I didn’t want and never have it come back?
Even after updates?
Lots of people removed Windows without it coming back
No, the rest of us just stopped responding to these threads. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it think.
The kinds of people who repost this meme over and over again, are the kinds of people who don’t do updates, and the reason why updates are automatic by default on Windows. They don’t know nor care to know what is going on with their os, they just have an idea of what they expect will happen, and when something different happens, they complain and post memes about it.
Of course, not every single person is like that, there are and always will be exceptions
The hard truth is that most people don’t know and don’t care what’s running on their computer until it gets in their way.
This is such a pile of cheap elitism. So, the very need to figure out how to remove what you didn’t ask for does not bother your club of computer geniuses?
I will point out that’s not what the OP is about.
It’s literally complaining for the sake of complaining.
Yeah. Sure. OneDrive suddenly starting to do devious shit without any request of user confirmation or warning definitely did not happen to anybody, it is just miserable unqualified people trying to feel good about themselves by complaining about nonexistent issues
You know what? That “rest of you” does a good thing by having “stopped responding to these threads”. Do keep this noble tradition
Sure thing boss. Can I also spit shine your shoes while I’m down on my knees taking your orders?
No, the above is enough. Thank you
Some of us have to do tech support for people stuck in these situations. I don’t personally have problems with Onedrive but I’m also the type who is able to figure out installing Windows without a Microsoft account.
Yeah. Needing to install using an MS account is a massively consumer hostile practice.
I see it as Microsoft saying: “this is what’s best for you, you’ll do things this way” and giving you absolutely no way to bypass it (unless you’re like me or you… And know the tricks to do so).
“Safe from pain, and truth, and choice, and other poison devils” …
Wait, people have one drive installed?
Yea I’ve found that if you take the experiences you have on Lemmy and then just invert it, then it will give you a more accurate estimation of reality.
That explains why Kamala lost.
This is gold, Jerry. GOLD
Yea. I use it daily so I can share files between my PCs without any thought.
You can use Samba, its built into windows to locally share a file to another conputer ovet LAN
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on a related note, NEVER expose SMB to the internet. It is HORRIBLY insecure. you will get crypto’d in minutes.
