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      If you think this is troubling, look up the CEOs take/comments on Trump.

      Edit: Wow, instantly downvoted by a bot inside of 10 seconds after posting. Someone’s downvoting anything negative about trump it seems.

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        Testing.

        Trump is an idiot pants shitter criminal and should have been put in prison long ago.

        Edit: More humans than bots.

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        No need to go search - Here is the CEO’s take on Trump, he tweeted support for Gail Slater for as Donald Trump’s Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust. In Dec 2024 He says

        Andy Yen on X (formerly Twitter): “Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin. pic.twitter.com/0XVVO2ffcH / X”

        Terrible take but also honestly not a super surprising one from a non-citizen foreign CEO who main competition is US companies that should be hit with antitrust suits and are supposed to be regulated by the US.

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        As of this comment you’re sitting on 14 downvotes.

        13 of them are visible on Lemvotes and they look naturally occurring to me. Granted I didn’t bother opening profiles to check their likelihood of being human though.

        I don’t think it’s a bot.

        Interesting thing I noticed in looking this up though, Andy Yen doesn’t have a Wikipedia page.

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          Interesting. Maybe I just got “lucky” then hah. I posted, the page refreshed, it said 8 seconds since I posted, and I had 1 downvote already. Figured it had to be a bot or something responding to an API request at that speed, or maybe someone just loaded the page up, scrolled down, read my comment, and downvoted inside of 8 seconds of my perfectly timed post.

          The world may never know 🙂

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        I downvoted you and I’m not a bot. (And also a Trump hater.)

        The fact is every fucking CEO sucks, no matter the product, so that isn’t going to be something I consider when choosing one. The pertinent questions regarding any product are price, quality, and the impact of consuming it.

        Proton’s a better choice for most because the Swiss regulate privacy heavily, unlike the US.

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          The fact is every fucking CEO sucks, no matter the product, so that isn’t going to be something I consider when choosing one.

          “I don’t vote cus both sides are the same” energy

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            This guy was quite heavily anti Harris last election cycle, so there is some inherent hypocrisy about them

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              My profile literally says I hate both Democrats and Republicans. If you had an 80 year-old parent forced to drive for DoorDash to avoid homelessness, I imagine you’d be less than impressed with our ruling parties too.

              So yep. Anti-Harris.

              Famously trying to hide it, obviously. :D

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    So if I’m reading this right, Proton is re-interviewing their entire staff, focusing on how they’ve integrated AI into their workflow, and if they aren’t using AI as much as management wants they’re likely to lose their jobs?

    That is extremely disappointing.

    Posteo is suddenly looking very shiny.

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        Tuta cancelled my free account because their automated system detected fraud. This occurred after 24 hours of updating my contacts within Tuta and signing up for some services. I appealed and they only apologized for the inconvenience but kept the account closed.

        Other people have posted similar stories but after a YEAR of use their email randomly because inaccessible. So Tuta isn’t a viable alternative for me as a Proton user.

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          Damn, second negative response. I guess I am leaving them but I just do t want proton - they give me the ick of wannabe big tech.

          I just want a drive, calendar and email that is private.

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            Posteo seems like the only good option there… Sadly they don’t allow custom domains because of some hand-wavy “privacy” crap that boils down mostly to vendor lock-in like tuta.

            There is a new belgian co-op company Nubo trying to break into the market, but they are tiny and running a nextcloud instance on-prem for storage. Performance is likely to not be great.

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              vendor lock-in like tuta.

              Higher tiers allow custom-domains.

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                No IMAP, doesn’t support open standards, proprietary encryption, no compatability with 3rd party apps/mail clients. You get forced to use their app and have none of your mails locally. Also, since their encryption is proprietary, they only support password less encryption between tuta users, so 99% of users will only ever have encrypted mail with the tuta advertisements/announcement (though they market the “encrypted” angle extremely hard.

                Not to mention all of their apps are exclusively web and electron and perform badly with a very very barebones user interface and options. Also the search is pretty bad. All things that would be fixed if they support open standards. I really dislike using their apps and interface with my account.

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        Apparently Tuta sucks, which really sucks as I was halfway through migrating my email to them. Now I have to start over with Posteo and wait for them to do something stupid

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      Give it 5 years and that shiny will ware off. That’s the damn problem. Nothing last forever and everything goes to shit eventually.

      At some point you just gotta settle for the devil you know.

      If you still have the energy to most posteo is fantastic from what I have heard tho.

      I’m just tired man, I just want to stop having to think about politics in my fucking email.

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    They’ve been replying on Reddit and it hasn’t made them look better. They say they aren’t firing people and are just looking for people who can accelerate their work with LLMs. Like, sure buddy.

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    AI policies are so dumb. You don’t evaluate people’s perfs on how much they use a tool. So what’s the damn end goal of such evaluation??

    "Hey! I did nothing useful this year, but all with AI! -You’re promoted!!

    I fixed hundreds of bugs and developed 3 new features all cheered by users! -With AI? -Err… not much -You’re fired!!"

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    I am starting to believe email is corporate bullshit that has to die

    Started to not even check email. And use whatsapp for friends family

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    Proton talks a big game externally, then spends the rest of its day just absolutely shitting the bed. As disappointing as always.

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    If you read the Proton response to this article, it actually does seem like trying to figure out what’s going on with business process in a big picture way. Senior managers are interviewing, too. Not all staff are interviewing.

    Personally, I think it’s just as much about seeing who can’t QC the slop out off their code as anything else. Maybe. Or maybe I’m wrong, I dunno.

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        Imagine being so disillusioned with the world that you assume that no one can have an opinion and think critically about two opposing views without it necessarily being some corporate brand fanboy bullshit.

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            Yeah, was that supposed to be profound or something?

            As the 1% that actually pays, I’m invested in them succeeding and not enshittifying so I don’t have to take the time to move my email hosting. End of story. I have my own email domain, so I can kick them to the curb any day I like. And expect to have to one day.

            Did you need to complain about it some more? Does baby need a Binky? Or did you only ever use the free thing and it didn’t meet your expectations of what free things should be? Sorry your free thing wasn’t spectacular enough :(

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                Knew what? That someone doesn’t want the thing they pay for to get enshittified? That it’s smart to make plans to not let any company control how you communicate?

                Wow. Such insight.

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                  That you were a paying customer hence your rabid defense of a garbage company. Every time I get massive pushback it is always someone that has bought into the security theatre corporate solution that they sell.

                  I am sorry you continue to give them money. Take care!

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      How about don’t use AI to begin with so you won’t have to weed anyone out due to “potential slop”.

      Edit: this is in response to the parent comment, not to Proton…

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        I fear you may misunderstand their goal here- direct quote:

        “We need people who can translate AI’s capabilities into better products, stronger execution, and new ways of working — and who approach this change with curiosity, judgment, and urgency,” the email reads.

        They specifically want to “weed out” the ones who ARE NOT using AI

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        If you haven’t used it professionally, LLMs can and do provide huge help. Making this a specially all or nothing argument only highlights a knowledge and experience gap on the part of someone making that argument.

        Buuuuut, only an idiot asks for anything better than a starting point or a check of existing work. People relying on it to produce whole cloth work is for hobbyists and sloppers that don’t care or know any better.

        You ask why they need to use LLMs at all, and they host their own, Lumo. What clear, financially solid argument can you make that LLMs are an objective net negative to every company? If they see benefits from a headstart on coding and ability to test their security, why demand they take that away when no human code is 100% perfect anyway?

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          I haven’t used it professionally, but I still know they provide huge help. It’s no secret. But my statement was simply following the logic of the previous commenter, who was saying that Proton are trying to weed out the people who aren’t able to QC out the slop. But if you are in need of QC to remove the slop, you are probably overdosing on agentic coding to begin with.

          Anyway, “only an idiot asks for anything better than a starting point”, sure, definitely agree. But what percentage of being a professional developer at a company involves prototyping something new, and doing “starting points”? Most development is just tacking on new shit to old shit. Clamping shit together with other shit. I guess that’s the issue?, which causes people to still use AI because they are pretty much forced to, sometimes literally, and so actually do ask for more than just a starting point. And then here we are…

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      Executives: “But how do we do that without the incredible investment of AI?!”

      Developer, sitting in the corner, arms crossed and covered in cobwebs: “Harumph”

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    https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.404media.co%2Fproton-to-re-interview-staff-about-ai-to-see-who-gets-to-keep-their-job%2F

    Proton, the company behind ProtonMail and other privacy-focused products, told staff on Monday it would be ‘re-interviewing’ staff across the company about how they use AI in their jobs, with the implication that the interviews may decide whether staffers have “continued employment,” according to an internal Proton email obtained by 404 Media.

    “These re-interviews are consequential,” a part of the email reads. “Interviewers will document their assessments, which will inform the broader review of our organization and talent. That review may lead to changes in roles, responsibilities, and continued employment. Individual outcomes will be communicated directly once decisions are finalized.”

    Proton’s CEO Andy Yen has steadily pushed the company towards more AI use, including launching AI centered products like Lumo, a privacy-focused chatbot. The leaked email says Yen “interviewed more than 40 senior leaders across Engineering and Product to begin this process.” Now, those interviews are extending across the company.

    “We need people who can translate AI’s capabilities into better products, stronger execution, and new ways of working — and who approach this change with curiosity, judgment, and urgency,” the email reads.

    The email says that not everyone in the company will be re-interviewed, and “any decisions affecting your employment will be communicated separately.” The interviewer will be outside the staff member’s team and reporting line; instead, people may be interviewed by someone from “a pool of leaders who demonstrate strong AI capability and have aligned on the assessment criteria.”

    “We recognize that this process creates uncertainty. We will be clear about what has been decided and what remains open, and communicate individual outcomes as soon as we can,” the email adds. It says the re-interviews will take place between November 4 and 11.

    Proton did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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    istg these imbeciles are going to get me to self host my own email server.

    white hairs here i fucking come.

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      I’ve done that and learned a lot. Microsoft (Outlook, Hotmail) won’t accept your email without paying them, or forwarding through someone who does (proton?).

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        Microsoft (Outlook, Hotmail) won’t accept your email without paying them, or forwarding through someone who does

        That’s absolutely not true. They sometimes bork some messages and signatures internally, but aside from that, delivery to MS stuff (and that includes a lot of business behind their “outlook protection” service) has been fine for years.

        And, contrary to old beliefs, it has been mostly fine all around. Just properly setup DKIM, your DMARC and SPF records, and don’t actually send spam. The worst that could happen is if you’re trying to send through some residential IP, as large blocks can occasionally get blocked. But a cheap hosting anywhere (even in a spamfarm-ridden provider) is very likely to work fine.

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          Lol no

          Maybe if you’ve got a 10 year old domain that’s been actively sending legit email everyday or something, but my email from my server goes straight to spam on outlook. Literally everywhere else is fine.

          // yes my dmarc, dkim and spf are fine. No I’m not on any blocklists. No my IP is not a residential IP lol. The domain and server just turned 1 year old last week :]

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            Well, I must have imagined all the traffic being fine going out from an OVH server all this time then /shrug

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              Listen, I’m happy for you that your setup works, truly. I’m absolutely not trying to imply that it isn’t. It’s simply just not “fine all around”. It’s fine for you.

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                Both work servers, my private server, and a handful of colleagues running the same setups, on various hosts…

                Yes, I agree it is anecdotal evidences. But seriously, people going around saying “it’s impossible, you have to pay them for delivery to work” is not only disingenuous, it’s factually wrong.

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                  Are you all on OVH, then? Maybe my IP is the just the problem. Or do you all perhaps have older domains? Did you do any IP warming? I’d love to know. The openness of email is important.

                  (And fwiw, I’m not the same person as who implied you’d have to pay. In fact, I’ve never heard of that before)

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    To save people from diving into the Reddit swamp. Here is Proton’s response from a similar post over there:

    Just to clarify, Proton is not doing layoffs and using AI as an excuse. We actually have a big shortage of talent and are actively hiring across the org: https://proton.me/careers#jobslist

    AI is changing the tech industry and we, like everyone else, need to evolve our ways of working to remain effective in our industry, and to deliver features faster to users.

    Proton exists to protect privacy and give people control over their digital lives. That commitment guides how we evaluate and use AI, including the tools we use internally. We see opportunities to build better products and work more effectively, but using AI requires judgment about privacy, security, accuracy, and where it adds actual value.

    We are assessing how colleagues are adapting to these tools, what support they need, and who can help lead this work. We’re looking for concrete improvements in their work and thoughtful decisions about when to use AI - and when not to.

    To do this, we’re in the process of figuring out who among our existing colleagues are the best future leaders, assessing whether everyone has the skills they need to take a step forward in a post-AI world, and making sure we are offering the support that is necessary, to those who need it, to succeed.

    In the interest of transparency, the full email that was sent to some of our staff can be found below:

    Dear,

    AI is fundamentally changing how we build products and how we work. The capabilities Proton needs are evolving, and we must accelerate our transformation to remain competitive and deliver on our mission.

    Getting this right is critical to Proton’s future. We need people who can translate AI’s capabilities into better products, stronger execution, and new ways of working—and who approach this change with curiosity, judgment, and urgency.

    Last week, Andy interviewed more than 40 senior leaders across Engineering and Product to begin this process. We are now extending re-interviews more broadly to assess how people are adapting to AI and whether they have the capabilities and approach needed for Proton’s next phase.

    This is also an opportunity to identify people who can lead the transformation. Those who demonstrate the ability to rethink their work, put AI into practice, and help others adapt may have opportunities to take on greater responsibility, accelerate their development as leaders, and shape Proton’s future.

    What does this mean for you?
    • Not everyone may be invited to a re-interview.
    Given the scale and timeframe, interviews will be prioritized based on the organization’s assessment needs. Whether you receive an invitation should not, on its own, be interpreted as an individual outcome. Any decisions affecting your employment will be communicated separately.
    • For those that get invited, re-interviews will take place November 4–11.
    Further details about scheduling, format, and preparation will be shared centrally.
    • Your interviewer will be outside your team and reporting line.
    Interviewers will be selected from a pool of leaders who demonstrate strong AI capability and have aligned on the assessment criteria.
    • Expect a discussion about how you think and work.
    We want to understand how you apply AI to real problems, how it has changed your approach, where you see opportunities to improve, and how you expect your role to evolve.
    • Come prepared with concrete examples.
    Be ready to discuss what you have changed in your work, the results, what you have learned, what has not worked, and what you would do differently. A list of tools alone will not demonstrate this.
    • Your ability to adapt matters alongside your current capabilities.
    We will explore how you learn, challenge established ways of working, exercise judgment, and act on the opportunities AI creates.

    What are the consequences?
    These re-interviews are consequential. Interviewers will document their assessments, which will inform the broader review of our organization and talent. That review may lead to changes in roles, responsibilities, and continued employment. Individual outcomes will be communicated directly once decisions are finalized.
    The process will also help us identify people ready to take on broader scope and leadership responsibilities as Proton evolves.

    We recognize that this process creates uncertainty. We will be clear about what has been decided and what remains open, and communicate individual outcomes as soon as we can.
    Please take the re-interview seriously and come prepared to discuss your actual work, your experience with AI, and how you can contribute to Proton’s next phase.

    Today at 4pm CET, there will be a call for recipients of this email to answer a few more logistical questions.

    The meeting will be taking place on this Proton Meet Link

    Best,

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      LOL.

      This is sleazy AI drafted corporate speak confirming everyone’s supposition: we’re pivoting to AI and if you’re not on board you’re fired.

      I guaran-fucking-tee the interview will be fed to a model for analysis and scoring.

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        Yeah - people in here commenting it “doesn’t sound that bad” etc - this is boilerplate for a restructuring/layoffs period, they’re going to fire a ton of people.

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      Did they even read what they wrote? They say they’re not doing layoffs, but the internal email states that interview performance could impact “continued employment”. Anyone getting that absolutely should be worried about their job.

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      This is a performance review tied to AI.

      The primary use of performance reviews is to manufacture a reason to fire someone.

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        If you’ve worked somewhere with no or only very perfunctory reviews you can tell that there are some advantages to having some kind of system in place

        This though is a major turnoff from Proton.

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          The problem is at this rate if we keep dropping things because companies are stupid.

          We will have literally nothing left.

          I don’t know about you but building the infrastructure and services proton has is not something i can do. Like some of it I can self host and I do. But like that’s only a fraction it cost more to do it myself then I would spend in years letting them handle it. And it would be less reliable and strain my already tight food budget.

          'm just running out of companies that aren’t actively kicking puppies.

          So either I become a luddite and stop using technology or I’m stuck accepting reality isn’t a magical wonderland where fucked up assholes are in charge of basically everything.

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            I don’t know about you but building the infrastructure and services proton has is not something i can do.

            I can. I don’t want to. But I guess we’re getting there.

            And I have few illusions that they won’t just illegally under-price their services to put me out of business if I expand enough to take on costs beyond my own.

            This is all some bullshit. Sorry.

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              I guess thats a better way to put it. I could do it. But i can’t afford to, and don’t have the time or will to do it in a manner that would create more work for myself. Not to mention the risk of some uptight corpo lobbying to ruin everything if enough of us do it.

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      Man that whole thing just reeks of corpo bullshit lingo. The email even seems LLM generated. Imagine getting fired because you don’t want an LLM to do your job for you.

      God dammit, I just moved emails over to Proton like 3 years ago. Now I gotta move everything out again. Why does every company have to become garbage? Can I just have ONE company I have a service with that doesn’t become garbage eventually? Ugh.